True Measure Of Ones Strength

[tomsammce]

one on one rugby scrumming (no homo) in the garage on the piss

[Daz69]

one on one rugby scrumming (no homo) in the garage on the piss

Borderline Homo Tom................... :pfft:

[Luigi]

Basic Strength Standards

WLSTANDARDS.pdf

[muscle99]

why is this in bodybuilding training?

bbs don't give a f*ck about strength...

in the words of pman: Let shit storm commence.

I believe a bodybuilder benefits a lot from performing dead lifts. Great for building your back esp. The amount of weight you can use on some other exercises depends on how much weight your back can handle so I think it's essential to keep your back strength increasing.

[Snatchy McClean]

Beer-fuelled arm wrestle.

Definitely deadlift for me - can't believe it took 8 posts to come up.

Clean and jerk is amazing and such an athletic lift, but also so reliant on form. You can be as strong as anything and still have a pitiful clean due to lacking technique.

[Grover]

Beer-fuelled arm wrestle.

Definitely deadlift for me - can't believe it took 8 posts to come up.

Clean and jerk is amazing and such an athletic lift, but also so reliant on form. You can be as strong as anything and still have a pitiful clean due to lacking technique.

:shock:

So jerking is a very important exercise then?

[Riccardo]

Olympic lifting sounds a bit erotic to me (no homo). All this cleaning and jerking and snatches. I should start doing some power snatches :pfft:

[olympia]

The power snatch sounds bloody good to me . :pfft:

[maassive]

The power snatch sounds bloody good to me . :pfft:

I love a clean snatch. Makes me wanna jerk.

[Snatchy McClean]

Always clean before you jerk.

[maassive]

Always clean before you jerk.

Use soap, and clean while you jerk.

[Calvin]

I'd say more strong man type stuff, never done it myself but it seems the most relevant in terms of real world strength. Not often your under a perfectly balanced barbell.

agreed...atlas and natural stones come to mind

And over head pressing. Not commonly done in day-to-day scenario so good test of trained strength.

[Big john]

I'd say more strong man type stuff, never done it myself but it seems the most relevant in terms of real world strength. Not often your under a perfectly balanced barbell.

agreed...atlas and natural stones come to mind

And over head pressing. Not commonly done in day-to-day scenario so good test of trained strength.

I rate the farmers walk right up there in terms of strength and Endurance, esp when i witnessed a 60kg bugger walking with 200kgs for afew good metres, dropped it acouple times otw. so if u break it down not only was he walking the weight but everytime he dropped it, it turned into a max deadlift to get it up again...now if thats not a Measure of true fucking grit i dont know what is

[maassive]

agreed...atlas and natural stones come to mind

And over head pressing. Not commonly done in day-to-day scenario so good test of trained strength.

I rate the farmers walk right up there in terms of strength and Endurance, esp when i witnessed a 60kg bugger walking with 200kgs for afew good metres, dropped it acouple times otw. so if u break it down not only was he walking the weight but everytime he dropped it, it turned into a max deadlift to get it up again...now if thats not a Measure of true fucking grit i dont know what is

Yeah that's mean!

hey Big John and others, my gym only has DBs that go to 45, can you offer a suggestion for an alternative way to do farmers walk?

[PeterDolan]

Barbells dude 8)

[Specter]

And over head pressing. Not commonly done in day-to-day scenario so good test of trained strength.

I rate the farmers walk right up there in terms of strength and Endurance, esp when i witnessed a 60kg bugger walking with 200kgs for afew good metres, dropped it acouple times otw. so if u break it down not only was he walking the weight but everytime he dropped it, it turned into a max deadlift to get it up again...now if thats not a Measure of true fucking grit i dont know what is

Yeah that's mean!

hey Big John and others, my gym only has DBs that go to 45, can you offer a suggestion for an alternative way to do farmers walk?

You at Cityfitness? :pfft:

[Wookie]

I'd say it's nigh on impossible to categorise strength into one basket. There are different kinds of strength. One test alone does not paint a very accurate picture.

I would suggest the deadlift is quite a good indicator of overall static strength, and probably the best if we're just picking a single exercise to measure strength. However, leverages do play a significant role in ones deadlifting ability, just like technique influences the clean and jerk. I've seen guys deadlift 300 who are unable to squat 200kg and overhead press 120. Personally, I don't find that very impressive.

Just for interests sake, Nick Hansen and myself had quite an intense rivalry in strongman between the end of 2007 and the beginning of 2010. Often we'd be separated by between 1 or 2 points. We both were clearly strong, but in very different ways. Nick had a deadlift off the floor which likely exceeded mine by 50kg. Yet in partial deadlifts, we were quite equal. Nick was definitely a step ahead of me on any natural stone lift, yet my front squat levelled the field in the atlas stones. Nick always managed superior posterior chain endurance on events such as the anvil carry and tire flip, and I had the advantage of a big overhead press.

Who was stronger? I'm not sure that question was easy to answer.

Who was the better strongman? It really depended on the events.

[tomsammce]

I'd say it's nigh on impossible to categorise strength into one basket. There are different kinds of strength. One test alone does not paint a very accurate picture.

I would suggest the deadlift is quite a good indicator of overall static strength, and probably the best if we're just picking a single exercise to measure strength. However, leverages do play a significant role in ones deadlifting ability, just like technique influences the clean and jerk. I've seen guys deadlift 300 who are unable to squat 200kg and overhead press 120. Personally, I don't find that very impressive.

Just for interests sake, Nick Hansen and myself had quite an intense rivalry in strongman between the end of 2007 and the beginning of 2010. Often we'd be separated by between 1 or 2 points. We both were clearly strong, but in very different ways. Nick had a deadlift off the floor which likely exceeded mine by 50kg. Yet in partial deadlifts, we were quite equal. Nick was definitely a step ahead of me on any natural stone lift, yet my front squat levelled the field in the atlas stones. Nick always managed superior posterior chain endurance on events such as the anvil carry and tire flip, and I had the advantage of a big overhead press.

Who was stronger? I'm not sure that question was easy to answer.

Who was the better strongman? It really depended on the events.

alot of strongman events are very technical also. i think the point was assuming good technique was known and applied which excerise would be the best measure. so it would then be the the olympic lifts i would think, having said that tho alot of those guys cant bench for shit over do a seted over head press nearly as much as they can with momentum of the techinque,

as you said at start of your post you cannot really gauge it off one exercise

[Wookie]

Haha... word. I had a 180kg overhead with a 120kg bench. That's fairly normal I'd say for oly lifters. Just never benched and combining bench, snatch and jerk at the same time was a recipe for bad shoulders. Stuck around 60k on my bench (hard work given a messed up shoulder) and overhead went up 20kg to 200. Push press went from 145ish to 170.

And you can see why they call it smoke and mirrors.

[Darkmanx]

I know that professional rugby in NZ use the squat, bench and weighted chin as part of their testing battery.

Really? How did you find this out?

I would have though they would have the deadlift in there also.

There is not a single rugby team i know of that does deadlift as a test for strenght. Well not in NZ or South Africa anyway. And Dr Squat is right about the bench, squats and chin ups. However rugby teams do implement deadlifts into their strength training.

This is not a real secret either. Anyone that knows a pro rugby player would know these are the lifts they do and id say dr squat might know a few or he is just a good researcher.

[Snatchy McClean]

^ that makes sense. Bench and Pull Up are obviously reasonable gauges of general upper body strength, despite Bench itself having SFA athletic carryover. I'd be curious to know how much the OHP is implemented in rugby training.

For every day purposes, I'd say Deadlift is still by far the best test of full body strength though. Can't get much more straightforward or practical than bending down and picking something up!

[maassive]

^ that makes sense. Bench and Pull Up are obviously reasonable gauges of general upper body strength, despite Bench itself having SFA athletic carryover. I'd be curious to know how much the OHP is implemented in rugby training.

For every day purposes, I'd say Deadlift is still by far the best test of full body strength though. Can't get much more straightforward or practical than bending down and picking something up!

amen.

[evil action]

definately deadlift

[Riccardo]

Strong bump

[langerrox]

Definatly Deadlift or a Squat to proper depth, alot of people think a squat is all legs, Chuck a heavy weight on your back and try hit depth without crumbling.