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ThePman

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So I'm curious.

Why is it that almost every time I'm at the gym, I see a guy get a spot - almost always on the bench - and then the guy proceeds to complete get owned by the weight, and his spotter helps him a little rows the bar off his chest for a couple of ugly reps?

I'd also like to know why it's almost always a REPS Certified Personal Trainer doing this more often than not.

I mean, I understand 'forced reps' or whatever, but really? Is there something I'm missing, where you're deliberately using weights too heavy to handle on your own?

I get having a spotter and all, but there's a difference in having the spotter do half the work for you and working with weights you can handle on your own.

So, uh. Yeah.

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I agree, I have seen this many time by personal trainers. Maybe they think that by doing that the client will boost their ego by using the bigger weight.

.... Yea and as it happens I encountered this at the start of december.

"Can you give me a spot"

Sure

"Im'a go for 10 I'll probably need help on all of them"

Hahaha(Gotta be a joke right)

"Unracks weight, lowers bar, gets stuck"

I assist him to the top thinking, oh crap he was serious? I take my hands away so he can try a second and his arms just buckle.

For some reason he looked at me like I'm the bad guy. What the hell am I supposed to assist him on the negative part of the movement to? what a moron. And I'm the bigger idiot for agreeing to spot him.

And it's all because his goddamn trainer spots him like that. The real kicker afterwards is that he tells me he's dieting and going for 5km runs everyday. I was stunned that someone would actually try and do something so far out of their capacity especially while carb depleted :doh:

Well any ego boost he may have had has been shattered at least.

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well i got taught last night by one of the leading tutors at NZIHF not to bench press with the elbows past 90 degrees :roll:

the other weightlifter in the room and I locked eys and turned on him

cant wait till squats come up in class :roll:

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well i got taught last night by one of the leading tutors at NZIHF not to bench press with the elbows past 90 degrees :roll:

the other weightlifter in the room and I locked eys and turned on him

cant wait till squats come up in class :roll:

This is one reason I'm very jaded by the personal training industry. The States gets knocked for having no standardized qualifications and no regulation of the industry (rightly so, mind you, since you can pay $50, take an online test, and you're 'certified', but that's a different rant...), but I haven't seen anything here to convince me that the professional bodies are doing any better job.

When they're not just letting that kind of thing happen, but teaching trainers to do it that way, there's a problem.

I'd write a nasty, sarcastic letter if I knew who to send it to.

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I'd write a nasty, sarcastic letter if I knew who to send it to.

http://reps.org.nz/pages/public-site/benefits-of-using-reps/board.php

Their website isn't telling you, must be a sign :pfft:

info@reps.org.nz

PO Box 22-374

Christchurch

^ Is all I managed to dig up from that site. Phone them for a nice chat! 0800 248 348

I've actually already dealt with them, to a degree. I was trying to see if my strength-coaching qualification from the States was transferable down here.

I found it pretty ironic that they were hesitant about accepting it when half-ROM benches and high squats are the kind of form they're teaching to trainers.

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Registration with REPs as a facility involves two key parts... Agreeing to the industry code of ethics, as set by FitnessNZ. To sign up to this code, membership to FitnessNZ is required.

So, how about writing an open letter to these guys :grin:

FitnessNZ

PO Box 22-114, Christchurch 8142, New Zealand

Phone: 0800 668 811 (+64-3-3736-390)

Fax: (03) 3736-398 (+64-3-3736-398)

Email: fnz@fitnessnz.co.nz

http://site.fitnessnz.co.nz/fitness-and-exercise-industry/about-us-our-board/

Our Key Roles:

* A voice to the media

* Assisting development of industry standards and education/training

* Fighting unfair competition

* Point of contact for: Members, Other organisations in related industries and the Media

* Lobbying government on issues

Our Board

Dr Nigel Harris - Auckland, Chair

Nigel Harris, Senior Lecturer in fitness and exercise science AUT. Nigel brings a wealth of industry and education experience to the board, having been on the FitnessNZ board for over five years (in two separate sessions) and is keen to further contribute as Chair.

Stephen Gacsal - Christchurch, Treasurer

Past owner of fitness centres, so comes with a comprehensive knowledge of the issues and challenges facing club owners and managers. Over 15 year’s fitness industry experience with an emphasis on financial planning and management. Treasurer of Fitness New Zealand since 1999 and also Treasurer of other non profit organisations. Represents Fitness New Zealand in its capacity as a shareholder of Sfrito.

Richard Beddie - Christchurch, CEO

Previous owner of fitness centres in Christchurch for 15 years, and has worked in the industry for over 20 years. Involved with FitnessNZ since 1998, and President from 1999-2005. Has a Bachelor of Science in Statistics, and completed a Masters degree (MBA) specialising in the fitness industry. Richard presents internationality on fitness industry trends.

Kay Lindley - Auckland

Active Health Manager/Health Promotions Manager/Green Prescriptions Area Manager at HealthWEST PHO. 1999 Fitness Leader of the Year. Kay brings a health perspective and is a huge promoter of REPs.

Sophie Mills - Auckland

Bachelor of Commerce (Marketing and Management) and Diploma of Fitness Training. Sophie has a strong background in marketing, human resources and management and moved into the fitness industry five years ago during which time she has successfully run her own personal training company and worked for several fitness centres. Previously Managing Director of Jump Recruitment (NZ’s First Fitness Recruitment Company).

Leanne Campbell - Auckland

Began her career in the fitness industry 17 years ago at the Waikato University Recreation Centre, she has since owned and operated small corporate facilities and more recently large commercial operations. Leanne has a good understanding of the legal issues facing the fitness industry and strong experience in the branding and marketing of individual clubs and national groups. Leanne is currently the national marketing manager for a national fitness group. Leanne has a Bachelor of Management Studies (international management and finance) and a Bachelor of Laws (LLB in commercial law).

Angus Campbell - Auckland

Began a 15 year career in the fitness industry as a personal trainer specialising in exercise rehabilitation. He quickly moved into boutique club ownership and management. During the last 5 years he has been an owner and managing director of larger commercial club operations. His areas of experience and expertise are in membership sales, club management and continuously improving the fitness product. Angus has first hand experience in dealing with the many issues facing club owners/operators on a daily basis. He is currently a general cluster manager for the cityfitnesss group.

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you think thats bad, the majority of these spotters bench like that. when the REAL trainers push and ask for a spot they dont even let you work and spot you off the first rep. you just give up telling them to let you work or back off or im good or any other line you can think off when the weight is over your face. infact one time some idiot literally walked off.

the worst part of this is that its extremely easy to get an injury when youve pushed past your breaking point with a spotter forcing reps without realising and can cause damage to the muscle. whats so difficult about just standing behind someone and racking the bar on the final rep they struggle on. tards (no rant-just sick of this bs)

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I agree, my TP normally spots me on reps where I don't want/need it and then proceeds to tell me that its all me. Of course it is.

I think he derives some pleasure from touching the bar...

Normally I want a spot on the last rep of the last set so I don't smash me perfect teeth and thats about it.

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cant wait till squats come up in class :roll:

The mating call of the loser. Look forward to meeting your athletes on the field.

Has he heard of jumping squats?

Concentric is a split second and lloading is through the balls of the feet.

and

WTF did they have that guy failing a snatch in there to show squats are dangerous?

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Lifting weights is dangerous! Also it makes women into bulky men.

Aerobic activity, that's what fitness is and everybody knows it. That's why people should just run and stay away from those icky weights. Running never causes injuries.

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Also it makes women into bulky men.

:shock: I only want to tone up! If I do 100 reps with the 5lb pink dumbbells that'll be ok, won't it? :pray: I don't want to pack on any muscle like those chicks in the bodybuilding comps.

Oh on the subject of 5lb pink dumbbells, I saw a new years resolutioner at the gym the other night doing bent over raises with 1kg dumbbells. I kid you not. She wasn't a small lady so it was just fucken ridiculous. I mean come on. I should have offered to spot her.

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Also it makes women into bulky men.

:shock: I only want to tone up! If I do 100 reps with the 5lb pink dumbbells that'll be ok, won't it? :pray: I don't want to pack on any muscle like those chicks in the bodybuilding comps.

Oh on the subject of 5lb pink dumbbells, I saw a new years resolutioner at the gym the other night doing bent over raises with 1kg dumbbells. I kid you not. She wasn't a small lady so it was just fucken ridiculous. I mean come on. I should have offered to spot her.

1kg is pushing it. You should have paired up and helped her lift that weight, like a good Personal Trainer™ should.

Now you'll never be REPS Certified™.

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