March 2008 Elite show NZFBB

[MasterTel]

Since this show (the regional type one I mean) isn't tested but is an NZFBB show will the competitors qualify as per normal for the nationals that same year?

The show is an IFBB NZEPBB show (now, try and say that lot quickly!) and not an NZFBB show, so I doubt there would be any qualification for the NZFBB Nationals. Or, at least that is what I assume is the intention, because it is not completely obvious from the documentation I have.

I'll try and get some more answers at the next Exec meeting (on Oct 21). In the meantime I'll suggest to Mark that he may want to create some sort of publication which can enlighten people who may want to participate in this new venture. Perhaps a NZEPBB website with general info and contact details?

[2guns]

can pro card be won at this elite show? if so, how many and for who?

[IronGame]

Dont think theres a pro card up for grabs, but I assume that would be Moe's objective in years to come???

[rigger]

OK, I'll stir it things up a bit here. Yes everyone will be getting a procard who enters. Seriously though whats with this pro card thing? What would you do with it if you got one, and have you seriously thought how you would look standing next to a real pro? Some of you guys need to regularly start winning regional and then national level contests first.

Just my 2 cents worth but just increasing your " supplements" will not turn you into a pro bodybuilder. If you havn't got it as an amateur then you cannot possibly turn yourself into a pro. Genetics still plays a huge role in how good you will become.

[waldo]

OK, I'll stir it things up a bit here. Yes everyone will be getting a procard who enters. Seriously though whats with this pro card thing? What would you do with it if you got one, and have you seriously thought how you would look standing next to a real pro? Some of you guys need to regularly start winning regional and then national level contests first.

Just my 2 cents worth but just increasing your " supplements" will not turn you into a pro bodybuilder. If you havn't got it as an amateur then you cannot possibly turn yourself into a pro. Genetics still plays a huge role in how good you will become.

Quality post this one. Quoted for truth.

[2guns]

OK, I'll stir it things up a bit here. Yes everyone will be getting a procard who enters. Seriously though whats with this pro card thing? What would you do with it if you got one, and have you seriously thought how you would look standing next to a real pro? Some of you guys need to regularly start winning regional and then national level contests first.

Just my 2 cents worth but just increasing your " supplements" will not turn you into a pro bodybuilder. If you havn't got it as an amateur then you cannot possibly turn yourself into a pro. Genetics still plays a huge role in how good you will become.

i wasnt asking if ppl were winning procards through this comp because id want one or i think people deserve one, asked the question to find out more info.

wat with the procard thing? well i think its a good goal to have and something to aspire to, if u are that way inclined. but i do agree with u in that to get a procard u should look like a pro, but also keep in mind that in most cases when a bodybuilder gets ther procard in that first one or two years ther physique changes dramatically, dont ask me y, i just c the photos...

just my input

[Marcus]

I agree also, the more they give out the more devalued the procard will become.

[IronGame]

OK, I'll stir it things up a bit here. Yes everyone will be getting a procard who enters. Seriously though whats with this pro card thing? What would you do with it if you got one, and have you seriously thought how you would look standing next to a real pro? Some of you guys need to regularly start winning regional and then national level contests first.

Just my 2 cents worth but just increasing your " supplements" will not turn you into a pro bodybuilder. If you havn't got it as an amateur then you cannot possibly turn yourself into a pro. Genetics still plays a huge role in how good you will become.

I have to agree with you here to, but it was a fair question by 2guns anyhow.

Personaly I have never seen anyone competing in this country that comes remotley close to pro quality, you just have to look at all the guys in the NPC that keep missing out on there cards and it becomes quite apparent that we are some way behind.

However I think it is not out of reach to want to work towards a pro card if you are realistic with yourself

[michaelk]

Personaly I have never seen anyone competing in this country that comes remotley close to pro quality, you just have to look at all the guys in the NPC that keep missing out on there cards and it becomes quite apparent that we are some way behind.

:roll:

How many Pro shows have you been too? I've been to two, and I can tell you there are a few guys in NZ that will certainly match up,

Remember not every Pro comes through the US NPC system, and there a few Pro's around the world that I have seen I feel confident I will hold my own against.

Remember your not comparing apples with apples either, the NPC is not tested, the NZFBB is, how do the guys in the US Team Universe stack up, because that is a more accurate comparison.

[rigger]

All I am trying to say is be realistic. Don't fool yourself when you look in the mirror. However dreaming and having a goal to one day be a pro, there is nothing wrong with that. Perhaps one day you might get your goal and dream. Thats right aye Mike? Also fair point about about the team universe winners. I have stood next to them on stage and thought they were not any better than me. I had seen some of these team universe dudes in the mags but in the flesh yep we match up for sure.

[IronGame]

Personaly I have never seen anyone competing in this country that comes remotley close to pro quality, you just have to look at all the guys in the NPC that keep missing out on there cards and it becomes quite apparent that we are some way behind.

:roll:

How many Pro shows have you been too? I've been to two, and I can tell you there are a few guys in NZ that will certainly match up,

Remember not every Pro comes through the US NPC system, and there a few Pro's around the world that I have seen I feel confident I will hold my own against.

Remember your not comparing apples with apples either, the NPC is not tested, the NZFBB is, how do the guys in the US Team Universe stack up, because that is a more accurate comparison.

I have been to a few pro show's in Aust and the states, and I was not directing my comments or trying to take anything away from you personaly Michael. I have stood next to you on stage (Recently) and i also have a goal to compete at a pro level and I think you have done alot in the way of setting a parthway for us to follow.

I just dont think that some people realise the quality that is out there overseas, wouldn't you want to compair yourself to the best? apples are apples.

Any way I wish you the best and look forward to seeing you in your 1st pro show and I will be behind you 100%

[michaelk]

hey nothing personal taken from it...I think you underestimated some of the past Kiwi Pros and overestimate the rest of the world. When I saw Justin in Aus he easily matched up with the best of them for size, and in Wellington Marc Rainbow was the 2nd hardest man in the show...behind a Mr R Coleman....who came 6th in the US Nationals as an Amateur and last in his 1st Pro show (I think Marc should have been a couple of places higher too).

Remember very few people who turn Pro are pro quality at that time

in most cases when a bodybuilder gets ther procard in that first one or two years ther physique changes dramatically

too true...I was 85kg onstage last year and expect to be 95kg next time :nod:

also i just felt the comparison between NZFBB athletes and US NPC wasn't a fair one, more likely the NZFBB/Team Universe was more accrate due to the drug testing policy, and as Phil mentioned we hold our own.

I have stood next to you on stage (Recently) and i also have a goal to compete at a pro level and I think you have done alot in the way of setting a parthway for us to follow.

I just dont think that some people realise the quality that is out there overseas, wouldn't you want to compair yourself to the best? apples are apples.

Any way I wish you the best and look forward to seeing you in your 1st pro show and I will be behind you 100%

Glad to see I'll have at least one supporter in the audience, I hope you get to achieve your goal and join us in the pros too, I'll be the first guy cheering on the next champ to come through....anything I can do to help just let me know.

[IronGame]

Yes your right I never saw Marc R/ Warren Thin and the like competing I have seen pictures however and they deffinatly do match up.

My main point was that Im not sure If we are ready to have a show where a pro card is garanted.

Thank you for your support also, I am sure I will have plenty of questions for you in the future

[HOG]

just got this of Jo Stewart web site

Mark and Moes Elite Event next year is all the talk at the moment. The date has been set and the venue is pencilled in ( booking will be confirmed next week) for March 22nd, 2008 and it will be held at the Sky City Convention Centre. Now I will probably be shot for letting this out so early and it could be subject to change but very unlikey so all your guys can get out and begin your contest plannning. There will be a regional type event which is open for any competitor but they must join or rejoin as a NZFBB member, where the winners will be invited to compete for the Elite. In the Elite, all Overall Winners etc of any previous NZFBB event, going back as many years as you can remember, are able to compete in the Elite class which of course is up for some serious prize money... Unfortunately the prize money is only available to the males as the Elite has only recently been introduced and recognised by the IFBB and currently only involves the men..... Shame aye. Following that there will be the Pro Show where the Pros who would of done the Melbourne Grand Prix the previous week, will be following up with our event.. So it should be quite a huge event, so you had better start saving for your weekend in Auckland and get your head around dieting for New Year.

[IronGame]

just got this of Jo Stewart web site

Mark and Moes Elite Event next year is all the talk at the moment. The date has been set and the venue is pencilled in ( booking will be confirmed next week) for March 22nd, 2008 and it will be held at the Sky City Convention Centre. Now I will probably be shot for letting this out so early and it could be subject to change but very unlikey so all your guys can get out and begin your contest plannning. There will be a regional type event which is open for any competitor but they must join or rejoin as a NZFBB member, where the winners will be invited to compete for the Elite. In the Elite, all Overall Winners etc of any previous NZFBB event, going back as many years as you can remember, are able to compete in the Elite class which of course is up for some serious prize money... Unfortunately the prize money is only available to the males as the Elite has only recently been introduced and recognised by the IFBB and currently only involves the men..... Shame aye. Following that there will be the Pro Show where the Pros who would of done the Melbourne Grand Prix the previous week, will be following up with our event.. So it should be quite a huge event, so you had better start saving for your weekend in Auckland and get your head around dieting for New Year.

Thanks HOG, strange though how you have to be a current NZFBB member to compete if it a completly different association???

[MasterTel]

Aaah, it is now becoming a bit clearer.

It would seem Mark and Moe are following what Tony Doherty does with the Australian Pro Show (which, from Jo's post indicates it will be on March 15). At these events, there is a regular regional event which is kept separate from the Pro Event. It would seem that the introduction of the Elite class at this show will be part of this new NZFEPBB organisation and include two groups of competitors - the winners from the regional event classes (i.e. they will be invited to compete in the NZEPBB Elite Class) and well as those other competitors specially invited or approved to compete in it.

So, from what I read of all this - the regional event is likely to be an NZFBB regional, with the class winners invited to join those others already selected to compete in the Elite Class. Jo mentions that this selected group will be made up of past NZFBB Overall champs, but the documentation I have indicates they can be "champions" of other organisations but they must apply to compete and give a strong indication of intended loyalty to the IFBB.

I reckon that anyone who wants to compete should go straight to the NZEPBB organisers (Mark/Moe) to find out what they have to do to qualify or be invited.

[Nobody]

ok now I'm confused -if the winners are asked to compete in the Elite and winners are awarded at night show- how do they know who's invited to the Elite for the day show. Will there be a regional Overall?

Are the regional competitors tested and the Elite ones not?

IMHO it's gonna rock the f#$%in house if this works an be the best show ever. :rockout: Will be cool to see some NABBA/IFBB match ups 2.

[MasterTel]

if the winners are asked to compete in the Elite and winners are awarded at night show- how do they know who's invited to the Elite for the day show. Will there be a regional Overall?

Are the regional competitors tested and the Elite ones not?

My guess is they will have one session for the regional event and judge it similar to the Overalls at a typical night show i.e. compile the scores immediately after a class had been judged and announce the placings a few minutes later. That way the winners will be known in the morning so those competitors can prepare for the Elite class later in the day.

Not sure about a regional Overall, perhaps not possible if some or most of the winners are doing the Elite class - a good question though. But then again, it would just mean having another lineup at the end of the morning show to choose an Overall winner, then those competitors can rest up before the Elite class is judged later in the day.

If the two events are run under separate organisations (i.e. NZFBB for regional and NZEPBB for Elite) then I see no reason why they can't have one event tested and the other one not.

[2guns]

These Elite show rules are getting more confusing to me by the day... i dont think anyone really knows whats happening except mark and moe

mastertell, i would have thought if the regional show was an nzfbb show there will have to have drug testing ther and also if it is a nzfbb show shouldnt u know about it..?

[MasterTel]

mastertell, i would have thought if the regional show was an nzfbb show there will have to have drug testing ther

Check the end of my last post, 2guns - I said there is no reason why one part of the event (NZFBB regional) can't be tested (which it would be subject to under our drug testing policy) and the other part (NZEPBB Elite class) not tested.

and also if it is a nzfbb show shouldnt u know about it..?

If that is the intention of the organisers, then yes, we will know about it once the details are ironed out. Keep in mind this new organisation and event was only announced to the Exec last month, and most Execs were not aware of it until then. We are having our next Exec meeting on Oct 21 (day after Nationals) and I'm sure a lot more information will be presented to us, plus a lot of questions, discussions and proposals raised as well.

[IronGame]

Ok, you have to be a current financial NZFBB member to compete but it is a IFBB NZEPFBB show and "no" parts of this will be tested, so that even's out the field for those who are invited and those who have to qualify in the morning.

The elite show will run after the morning show followed by the pro show which is an IFBB sanctiond show open to all IFBB pro's

Looks like there is a bit of overseas interest in the elite show and teams from other countrys have shown interest so this should be an amazing show.

[2guns]

wat countrys? yeah well $3100 is not a bad prize for 1st place

[IronGame]

wat countrys? yeah well $3100 is not a bad prize for 1st place

I believe Canada and New Caladonia? have shown interest so far

[IronGame]

The date has changed for the Australian Pro so the elite show is also changing, I will update whan I hear more.

[HOG]

IronGame have you got any more news about the NZ elite show????