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Steroid Cycle Theories

Raiyah

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Interesting.

I'm not sure that there's any merit in the "have to constantly keep your body guessing" theory - that's not how steroids work, is it? But I can see that his compound-switching technique might work, simply because as one compound is switched for another, you've got the residual half-life from the first combined with the new dosage from the second kicking in. So in effect, you would have the equivalent of higher dosages, despite his claiming it's a lower dosage and therefore safer.

That's my two cents anyway. Anyone else with more experience want to chime in?

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i would have thought it may work with compounds with short half lives, but not something i think any begginer should be trying, shouldnt one have a good understanding of how your body reacts to each compound first other wise if sides happen you cant be 100% sure what compound is doing what

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Is there anything in my "well, maybe it could work if the half-life overlaps..." response? Or was that wrong too? (I'm happy to be wrong!)

Yeah but will be same if you just used one compound the half life of each injection overlap each other to give a greater dosage than the weekly amount used assuming the esters are long acting.

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Slightly different from the norm. At least Rich isn't afraid to share his views on steroids like some others on YouTube are.

In a nutshell broscience.....

I would be more likly to give someone who's been on the gear for 25 years and walks around with very good size and condition 24/7 the benifit of the doubt before labeling his opinion / findings as pure broscience.  Granted one can only really speak from a view point of what works for you since everyone is different etc.

I think "keep the body guessing" is his way of saying that hes trying to prevent diminishing returns as the body tries to achieve an equalibrium.

Do the same work out day in and day out and you wont be making the same gains a year later you need to chang frequency intensity weight from time to time - same with most drugs i have tried same dose ends up being pretty weak later on - except that with occasional use sensativity remains high and a quality result is achieved - i suppose that logic might transfer through to the use of AAS

In the end some people might get results from trying this others might not we're all different and not all advice is going to universally work the same way for everyone so when someone posts advice or theories like this i take it as something to try one day if it doesnt work for me fine i try soemthing else and do more of what does work for me.

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Slightly different from the norm. At least Rich isn't afraid to share his views on steroids like some others on YouTube are.

In a nutshell broscience.....

I would be more likly to give someone who's been on the gear for 25 years and walks around with very good size and condition 24/7 the benifit of the doubt before labeling his opinion / findings as pure broscience.....  

I've been on gear 33 years, I don't claim to have the size of Rich, neither do I have access to the amount of hGH, IGF-1, insulin, or synthol he has over the years... Competition Pro-bodybuilders generally don't have a PhD in biochemistry or pharmacology, they tend to be just that, Pro-bodybuilders... They have achieved their status through dedication in the gym, huge amounts of growth hormones plus world beating genetics.. Not by having great interlect..!!

Rich states switching compounds every 3 weeks, by doing that most medium/long esters haven't reached maximal blood concentrations by that time, so why would you.. You are using the same receptors, they don't become desensitised or used to a given drug in such a short time, changing from one drug to another with the same dose and anabolic activity- there will be no difference in gains. There are non-androgen receptor mediated anabolic responses- Nandrolone has a much stronger affinity for AR in muscle tissue but doesn't produce gains through other pathways such as elevating certain other anabolic hormones like testosterone does. You dont need to change drugs to make gains. Add subtract some if you require different characteristics ie: pre-contest you need to be striated and dryer, you wont require the same compound to bulk on.. Variation based on goals. If your only goal is to make gains, run testosterone year round and use ancilliaries....

 

 

 

 

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Ok good points and well articulated.

Yes i agree with you that a lot of whats out there is advice given from a single point of experience and sometimes even misinterpreted resultsor simply wrong conclusions by the individual. a single point of experience is hardly a conclusie study eh.

Maybe its the sheer quantity of product that Rich has used thats gotten the results.

Its natural to look at  his body and give him a lot of credibility based on results

 

Regarding going on test all year - can one do that safely? coul i for instance do 600mg weekly and then run some additional compounds for 10 weeks or so and go off them but stay on the test?

My blood pressure is pretty good even at the end of a 12 week cycle it didnt raise any eyebrows, im  about 4 weeks off my last cycle and lamenting the distinct loss in strength wondering if i can handle a longer cycle or even how short a rest i can get away with? was aiming for a 2 month break and then getting on it again

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Regarding going on test all year - can one do that safely? coul i for instance do 600mg weekly and then run some additional compounds for 10 weeks or so and go off them but stay on the test?

My blood pressure is pretty good even at the end of a 12 week cycle it didnt raise any eyebrows, im  about 4 weeks off my last cycle and lamenting the distinct loss in strength wondering if i can handle a longer cycle or even how short a rest i can get away with? was aiming for a 2 month break and then getting on it again

The only reason not to continue on 600mg/week indefinately would be side effects like high E2, cholesterol, blood pressure, liver values etc.. E2 can be managed with an AI, donate some blood to lower blood pressure...   If cholesterol or liver values became an issue then lower the dose to a TRT cruise of 125-250mg/week, and throw in some Masteron or 10mg Anavar/day, hGH if you can afford it to assist conective tissue... When on high doses of AAS it might be best not to look at bloods, lipids etc, as they probably will be off the scale, if growth is your primary concern you might have to turn a blind eye...

600mg/week is seen as fairly low compared to other boards, you could get away with adding other compounds into the mix, then dropping back to 600mg Test only, but dropping to a TRT dose would be a healthier option... IMO..

The myth of burning out receptors and blunting drug sensitivity has been debunked, as research shows that with doses of anabolics that put levels above normal range over a period of time, cause an increase in AR count, it does not decrease, so in time you can use more and get benefits from higher doses. You will see reduced gains the longer you stay on as over time the over production of an anabolic response in the body will result in some catabolic hormone release as well, therefore you will experience a catabolic response. So it is best to back off the dose to lower the catabolic response... 

Or, ramp up the dose further and throw in some hGH, but eventually it may be best to revert to a TRT dose for overall better health... Unless your an IFBB Pro who just stays on a high dose all the time and doesn't cruise...

Length of cruise = Length of blast....

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that is pretty impressive Daz 69. Any major sides or time off on your 33 year journey??

 

Not really experienced any significant health issues, but our dosing protocol wasn't anywhere near what some lads take today... Maybe there's a lesson there..!! Will some of our younger member still be as healthy as I feel now, in 2047..? I somehow doubt I'll be here to find out..lol

I was crippled with lower abdomen pains in 2010 back in the UK whilst on Test, Nandrolone, Dbol Oxymetholone... It turned out the Dbol were methandienone and methyltestosterone, liver didn't like the combo too much..

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23770638

Only thing I have found these last few years, my tendons are like paper and tear easily, apparently AAS may weaken connective tissue as the type of collagen reproduced is a somewhat weaker version.. 

 

 

 

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