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Mike Zero Veteran member

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Strength and Hypertrophy training are two very different beasts.

Just because somebody's getting strong doesn't mean they're not growing.

Someone correct me if Im wrong, but I've always thought that working in the 4-6 reps range results more in functional or myofibrillar hypertrophy as well as strength gains, whereas working in the 1-3 reps range results more in adaptations of the CNS, which is why OLs (I think?) and PLs work in that range on main movements.

That's bloody interesting, and pretty cool as well. Is this also a reason behind the rumor (or maybe not rumor) statement that when you're young doing 1rm work stunts your frowth?

I think I might lower the hypertrophy just so I can become a sports machine :pfft: . If you did 1-3 reps does it increase your strength more than 4-6? Or does it stay the same minus the increase in size?

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I've seen small powerlifters, they compete in the U52kg class.

There are HUGE differences between BBs and Powerlifters, the main one being that they train for strength not size. THAT is the reason why they don't push out huge numbers of reps each set. Strength and Hypertrophy training are two very different beasts. The main difference is certainly not that Powerlifters don't cut.

Consider the fact that most powerlifters compete in weight restricted classes, and therefore must watch their caloric intake to some extent.

I admit I over simplified it when I suggested the differences between BBer's & powerlifters & I'll retract it - I deserved the calling out on that one - I can admit when I cock up :wink:

What I really meant to say was the I don't think in Bigreds case that dropping the weight & doing more reps is the answer - he's a big guy already, what he's doing now is obviously working - Is that better? :shifty:

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Oh really? You can get strong and grow at the same time? THANK GOD FOR THAT!

If you looked at the training programs (on paper and in the gym) of a powerlifter and a bodybuilder, you would see HUGE differences, both in reps and exercises. The comment that the only differnce between a powerlifter and a BB is that powerlifters don't cut deserved a response.

While you have your text book open Poos, please tell me the difference between type 2 A and B muscle fibers. I can remember that one grows stronger than the other, just can't remember the finer points.

lol2.gif Touche!

What about the powerlifters who also compete (albeit successfully) in bodybuilding? Sharing is caring dude.. not everyone can tap into their vaaaaast knowledge base like you can.

EDIT: internet drama is weird.

well personally i think its good to train both ways some exercises are best done with low reps and big weights and others done with lighter weights and going for more reps

:ditto:

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Bro its simple.. set yourself a goal: eg at the end of the year you will do an amateur bb comp or a novice pl meet.

find out the dates, tell someone youre going to do it.. so that way you are comitted.

Done.. now work towards that goal.. be it getting stronger or leaner or whatever.

or if your like some of us.. just do what keeps you happy.. dont stress yourself and try a novice pl meet.. then a bb meet.. see what you like more.

AND.. here is another thing I feel strongly about.. if you are truly confused about diets or whats on the internet isnt working for you... go find a good bb'ing oriented nutrionist. There are hoardes on here who are very worth their money.

Pm waldo and ask him.. get yourself to a nutrionist.. theyll give you a deal for like 3 consultations... follow their advice.. continue lifting and watch the results... dont over complicate it.

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Oh really? You can get strong and grow at the same time? THANK GOD FOR THAT!

If you looked at the training programs (on paper and in the gym) of a powerlifter and a bodybuilder, you would see HUGE differences, both in reps and exercises. The comment that the only differnce between a powerlifter and a BB is that powerlifters don't cut deserved a response.

While you have your text book open Poos, please tell me the difference between type 2 A and B muscle fibers. I can remember that one grows stronger than the other, just can't remember the finer points.

lol2.gif Touche!

What about the powerlifters who also compete (albeit successfully) in bodybuilding? Sharing is caring dude.. not everyone can tap into their vaaaaast knowledge base like you can.

EDIT: internet drama is weird.

well personally i think its good to train both ways some exercises are best done with low reps and big weights and others done with lighter weights and going for more reps

:ditto:

They generally do one before the other. The Powerlifter I can think of in this country who successfully crossed over was Hamish Van Lier (won a few titles with Nabba a couple of years ago), but I do remember him saying the changing of tanks as it were was a tough ask.

In fact most weightlifters I know who have stopped competitve lifting and turned over to isolating muscle groups and increasing reps from 2-4 to 8-12 complain of the fact that they can't stand the extra reps and 'weren't built for this sort of training.'

Internet dramas? Harumph. You pm'd me a while back about Olympic Lifting and the location of Gillies Ave gym. You should go and do a bit of training with EU and the others, and compare their programs to yours. It'll add a whole array of arrows to your arsenal.

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I've seen small powerlifters, they compete in the U52kg class.

There are HUGE differences between BBs and Powerlifters, the main one being that they train for strength not size. THAT is the reason why they don't push out huge numbers of reps each set. Strength and Hypertrophy training are two very different beasts. The main difference is certainly not that Powerlifters don't cut.

Consider the fact that most powerlifters compete in weight restricted classes, and therefore must watch their caloric intake to some extent.

I admit I over simplified it when I suggested the differences between BBer's & powerlifters & I'll retract it - I deserved the calling out on that one - I can admit when I cock up :wink:

What I really meant to say was the I don't think in Bigreds case that dropping the weight & doing more reps is the answer - he's a big guy already, what he's doing now is obviously working - Is that better? :shifty:

Was interesting last year. I watched with interest one of the BBs I helped look after sponsorship wise, AJ Stewart from Wellington, and his build up to the Nationals. While his calories came down and he started to cut into the last 10 weeks, I noted his training stayed between 6-10 reps. When I asked why he replied that it stimulated his muscle to stay big, and that increasing the reps to 12+ would only have in his mind started to lose him muscle. What I'm saying here is that I know a competing BB who would agree with you on that one.

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