Legalising Drugs in Australia?

[Pete_S]

Wonder if this is just another lot of hot air or something that might be taken seriously this time. Also, could "drugs" include AAS and other PEDS??

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/lat ... hink-tank/

[HarryB]

Wonder if this is just another lot of hot air or something that might be taken seriously this time. Also, could "drugs" include AAS and other PEDS??

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/lat ... hink-tank/

I saw this, starting with attempts to legalize marijuana... won't go anywhere, too many conservative wanks...

[nate225]

I've never supported legalising lower level drugs like canabinoids, but I do advocate consideration of decriminalising small amounts for personal use, on the basis that its a pragmatic thing to do. Freeing up the police / courts resourcing to focus on real crimes and not stopping an otherwise respectable member of society from travel / employment opportunities because they got caught smoking a joint or had a half cut tinnie in their car.

If anything I'd up the penalties for dealing, whilst doing as above re: personal posession to free up resourcing to focus on those pushing drugs (particularly A-class) onto society.

Just my 10 cents worth.

Can't see it having an impact on PED's / AAS - those dope smokers are tame compared to all y'all violent roid ragin' AAS abusers!! :pfft: :pfft: :grin:

If anything it raises the question of alcohol's place in society, which is a debate that goes round in circles!

[HarryB]

I think controls always have to be put in place, if you take away the cost availability factor you don't have huge criminal networks being funded by drug sales.

Something like they have in the UK where personal use of AAS is legal would be nice also!

[Pete_S]

I think controls always have to be put in place, if you take away the cost availability factor you don't have huge criminal networks being funded by drug sales.

Something like they have in the UK where personal use of AAS is legal would be nice also!

Was going to make reference to the UK - personal use of gear works very well over there although there were murmorings that after the london olympics UK could come back into line with USA/Australia/NZ etc

[Wookie]

The best way to get rid of scum drug dealers is to legalise the cannabis, regulate it (to keep it from kids), and tax it.

The war on drugs is an abject failure which winds up giving power to gangs and cartels, and treats a health issue like a criminal issue.

Look what they did in Portugal with legalisation:

http://www.time.com/time/health/article ... 46,00.html

[HarryB]

The best way to get rid of scum drug dealers is to legalise the cannabis, regulate it (to keep it from kids), and tax it.

The war on drugs is an abject failure which winds up giving power to gangs and cartels, and treats a health issue like a criminal issue.

Look what they did in Portugal with legalisation:

http://www.time.com/time/health/article ... 46,00.html

THIS!!!!!!

[Diab0lic]

Possession in personal amounts of all drugs should be decriminalised. Period. Portugal did it in 2001. All drugs, heroin, meth, coke, hash, you name it.

A paper, published by Cato in April, found that in the five years after personal possession was decriminalized, illegal drug use among teens in Portugal declined and rates of new HIV infections caused by sharing of dirty needles dropped, while the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction more than doubled.

"Judging by every metric, decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success," says Glenn Greenwald, an attorney, author and fluent Portuguese speaker, who conducted the research. "It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country does."

Compared to the European Union and the U.S., Portugal's drug use numbers are impressive. Following decriminalization, Portugal had the lowest rate of lifetime marijuana use in people over 15 in the E.U.: 10%. The most comparable figure in America is in people over 12: 39.8%. Proportionally, more Americans have used cocaine than Portuguese have used marijuana.

The Cato paper reports that between 2001 and 2006 in Portugal, rates of lifetime use of any illegal drug among seventh through ninth graders fell from 14.1% to 10.6%; drug use in older teens also declined. Lifetime heroin use among 16-to-18-year-olds fell from 2.5% to 1.8% (although there was a slight increase in marijuana use in that age group). New HIV infections in drug users fell by 17% between 1999 and 2003, and deaths related to heroin and similar drugs were cut by more than half. In addition, the number of people on methadone and buprenorphine treatment for drug addiction rose to 14,877 from 6,040, after decriminalization, and money saved on enforcement allowed for increased funding of drug-free treatment as well.

Who woulda thunk? :roll:

EDIT: SNAP ^^ \:D/

[Daz69]

The war on drugs clearly hasn't worked, 50 years on there are more people using drugs, more money spent trying to police outdated drug laws, and huge sums of potential Government revenue going to gangs and foreign drug cartels....

I personally would increase the penalties for possession, supply & manufacture of Methamphetamine, Heroin, and Crack cocaine...

whilst de-criminalising the use of Cannabis, MDMA, LSD and GHB... offer their sale as a pure product through official government outlets, whilst regulating dosages to account for example: body weight, age, gender etc...

Providing comprehensive advice on dosages, timings, interactions with other drugs, and nutritional and/or pharmaceutical requirements to address issues of neurotoxicity etc.....

Users would receive a pure product free of other harmful additives, with advice on dosages, harmful interactions with other chemicals, and correct dietary supplementation for pre & post ingestion to avoid any harmful side effects....

The Government would control supply and tax revenue, not gangs or foreign drug cartels........

[Diab0lic]

The war on drugs clearly hasn't worked, 50 years on there are more people using drugs, more money spent trying to police outdated drug laws, and huge sums of potential Government revenue going to gangs and foreign drug cartels....

I personally would increase the penalties for possession, supply & manufacture of Methamphetamine, Heroin, and Crack cocaine...

whilst de-criminalising the use of Cannabis, MDMA, LSD and GHB... offer their sale as a pure product through official government outlets, whilst regulating dosages to account for example: body weight, age, gender etc...

Providing comprehensive advice on dosages, timings, interactions with other drugs, and nutritional and/or pharmaceutical requirements to address issues of neurotoxicity etc.....

Users would receive a pure product free of other harmful additives, with advice on dosages, harmful interactions with other chemicals, and correct dietary supplementation for pre & post ingestion to avoid any harmful side effects....

The Government would control supply and tax revenue, not gangs or foreign drug cartels........

The gangs and cartels would just focus their efforts entirely on meth smack & crack in this scenario. Flood the streets with ealry discount gear and then start jacking prices and adding more cut

[vracula]

Ban green tea I say!!

[AgentOrange]

The war on drugs clearly hasn't worked, 50 years on there are more people using drugs, more money spent trying to police outdated drug laws, and huge sums of potential Government revenue going to gangs and foreign drug cartels....

I personally would increase the penalties for possession, supply & manufacture of Methamphetamine, Heroin, and Crack cocaine...

whilst de-criminalising the use of Cannabis, MDMA, LSD and GHB... offer their sale as a pure product through official government outlets, whilst regulating dosages to account for example: body weight, age, gender etc...

Providing comprehensive advice on dosages, timings, interactions with other drugs, and nutritional and/or pharmaceutical requirements to address issues of neurotoxicity etc.....

Users would receive a pure product free of other harmful additives, with advice on dosages, harmful interactions with other chemicals, and correct dietary supplementation for pre & post ingestion to avoid any harmful side effects....

The Government would control supply and tax revenue, not gangs or foreign drug cartels........

Lol this will NEVER happen.

as much as I'd like to see it happen

[two_phat]

From memory there are some other very forward thinking ideas in relation to drugs going round in europe at the moment;

I think it's Switzerland where they will give out heroin for free at special clinics to addicts. The idea behind it is it stops crime as they don't have pay for it (and nobody is then supplying it either), makes sure its safe in terms of needles etc, but also puts the addicts face to face with the very people who can help them.

Both Switzerland and Portugal saw huge societal benefits because they decided to treat addicts instead of punishing them.

[two_phat]

The war on drugs clearly hasn't worked, 50 years on there are more people using drugs, more money spent trying to police outdated drug laws, and huge sums of potential Government revenue going to gangs and foreign drug cartels....

I personally would increase the penalties for possession, supply & manufacture of Methamphetamine, Heroin, and Crack cocaine...

whilst de-criminalising the use of Cannabis, MDMA, LSD and GHB... offer their sale as a pure product through official government outlets, whilst regulating dosages to account for example: body weight, age, gender etc...

Providing comprehensive advice on dosages, timings, interactions with other drugs, and nutritional and/or pharmaceutical requirements to address issues of neurotoxicity etc.....

Users would receive a pure product free of other harmful additives, with advice on dosages, harmful interactions with other chemicals, and correct dietary supplementation for pre & post ingestion to avoid any harmful side effects....

The Government would control supply and tax revenue, not gangs or foreign drug cartels........

Why did you choose to legalise those drugs but ban cocaine & methamphetamines? Isn't that a bit of a contradiction saying the war on drugs hasn't worked, so instead you're just creating a narrower war?

I think controls always have to be put in place, if you take away the cost availability factor you don't have huge criminal networks being funded by drug sales.

Something like they have in the UK where personal use of AAS is legal would be nice also!

The czech repulic has something similar, it allows people to carry a small amount of any drug on them - if you get caught with this small amount. Then no worries, only a small fine to pay. No chance of going to caught.

[Daz69]

The war on drugs clearly hasn't worked, 50 years on there are more people using drugs, more money spent trying to police outdated drug laws, and huge sums of potential Government revenue going to gangs and foreign drug cartels....

I personally would increase the penalties for possession, supply & manufacture of Methamphetamine, Heroin, and Crack cocaine...

whilst de-criminalising the use of Cannabis, MDMA, LSD and GHB... offer their sale as a pure product through official government outlets, whilst regulating dosages to account for example: body weight, age, gender etc...

Providing comprehensive advice on dosages, timings, interactions with other drugs, and nutritional and/or pharmaceutical requirements to address issues of neurotoxicity etc.....

Users would receive a pure product free of other harmful additives, with advice on dosages, harmful interactions with other chemicals, and correct dietary supplementation for pre & post ingestion to avoid any harmful side effects....

The Government would control supply and tax revenue, not gangs or foreign drug cartels........

Why did you choose to legalise those drugs but ban cocaine & methamphetamine? Isn't that a bit of a contradiction saying the war on drugs hasn't worked, so instead you're just creating a narrower war?

There is evidence to suggest MDMA, if taken at proper dosages per body weight with pre and post nutrition and pharmaceuticals, neurotoxicity issues can be addressed, LSD & GHB if taken at a sensible dose are relatively harmless and in the correct environment fun.... Cannabis I'd just legalise to shut everybody up who whinges on about legalising it......

Heroin, Methamphetamine and CRACK-Cocaine have been proven to be highly addictive, creating a huge social problem worldwide.... I personally would introduce the death penalty for manufacture & sale.... :grin:

[tomsammce]

From memory there are some other very forward thinking ideas in relation to drugs going round in europe at the moment;

I think it's Switzerland where they will give out heroin for free at special clinics to addicts. The idea behind it is it stops crime as they don't have pay for it (and nobody is then supplying it either), makes sure its safe in terms of needles etc, but also puts the addicts face to face with the very people who can help them.

Both Switzerland and Portugal saw huge societal benefits because they decided to treat addicts instead of punishing them.

they have it all over the world its called the Methadone program or MMT (methadone maintenace treatment). these programs help many people but are abused by many too. people are even selling their methadone and creating a black market within an environment which is essentially setup to to reduce the kind of thing taking place from it lol..

u can lead a horse to water but u cant make it drink...

legalising something doesnt make the problems go away thinking it does is rediculous... like lets legalise dope, meth and smack and the country will have no Organised crime anymore.... whats the problem with MC gangs and organised crime anyway if you just wanna make it all legal?

all they are doing is manufacturing it and supplying... you are suggesting the governement does that instead... the gangs in nz are probably selling a weaker version anyway to make more money so its more that likley better off in their hands.

personally if you have a problem with gangs but are suggesting the govt controls it... then you fucking kookoo... whats the difference in the bigger picture?

[tomsammce]

its never gonna get legalised in nz... not even steroids will... your all just pipe dreamers talking shit.