Why Bodybuilders are More Jacked Than Powerlifters

[HarryB]

gym pressing 140 and comp pressing 140 are worlds apart

like wise squatting 200+... from what Ive seen not many BBs get near depth - different goals eh

its a chalk and cheese thread but funny

yep chalk and cheese. can't compare low bar wide stance to high bar close stance.. almost like different exercises.

[BarBrother]

Just curious as to what someone would quantify a weak Powerlifter as?

[Big john]

Tonkas back would rival Yates, Cutler and co :nod: 8)

:nod:

he is a true Manimal

[thatwaslight]

Pic?

[steak]

Pic?

you dont go round asking SBG for lat spreads bro..its not the done thing :pfft:

[Big john]

Pic?

you dont go round asking SBG for lat spreads bro..its not the done thing :pfft:

LOLZ gold

[soundsgood]

I've got no doubt that Tonka and the rest of the top supers are carrying a shit load of muscle on their frames but if they cut to comp ready condition they would have to sacrifice alot of muscle in the process.

And not to mention bodybuilding is not about who has the biggest muscles, it's also about the symmetry, separation and overall development. Fair to say because powerlifters generally don't work on isolation exercises they will not have comparable physiques to a dedicated bodybuilder.

Would be interesting to see what happens when you slim a top SHW PL down from 40% bodyfat to 5%.

What we need is a ginuea pig. Big mac? Tonka? Steak? Can we size you up for some posing trunks?

[ThePman]

None of these are or were superheavies, but to get an idea:

Honestly though -- you look back and you've got Dave Draper and Franco Columbu talking about going through power-training phases part of the year, and then you've got John Kuc and Kaz and Coan and all those guys doing lots of volume and body part isolation.

Nobody goes pure one way or the other.

[HarryB]

Is this still going on. Man I back myself on my own merits as does SG and Im sure Tonka and Doc and whoever else. Nothing more I can personally do than that.

I guess it must be just cos I am absolutely full of drugs ha ha ha not like I know anything about training or nutrition..... Hell no!

I think it would be interesting to see how some of the real big guys went if they got shredded and how some of the stronger end bbs would go if they just focussed on strength.

But end of the day who cares. I don't think I am any better than anyone else at anything, I am either further along the path or on a different path altogether. I'd love to train with Doc and learn some stuff, I always watch red machine and drizzt on their vids cos it's entertaining and I like seeing them progress.

[thatwaslight]

None of these are or were superheavies, but to get an idea:

Honestly though -- you look back and you've got Dave Draper and Franco Columbu talking about going through power-training phases part of the year, and then you've got John Kuc and Kaz and Coan and all those guys doing lots of volume and body part isolation.

Nobody goes pure one way or the other.

The pics are powerlifters that trained like bodybuilders lol

were not having this argument again are we? bodybuilders will always be better bodybuilders and powerlifters will always be better powerlifters. yes some exceptions and crossovers but put any powerlifter alive on stage next to the greats of today and i really don't think they would have shit show.

Even the worlds strongest power builder stan efferding would look like shit next to phil heath ect.

[soundsgood]

I do think the idea that 'if you look strong you should be strong' has some merit though. That's why the 'powerbuilding' approach is such a good idea in my eyes.

I have noticed not a single leg shot was posted in your post above Pman. What a Josef Rakich thing to do :pfft:

[thatwaslight]

powerbuilding solves all these problems look strong be strong. except in my case lol

[ThePman]

I do think the idea that 'if you look strong you should be strong' has some merit though. That's why the 'powerbuilding' approach is such a good idea in my eyes.

I have noticed not a single leg shot was posted in your post above Pman. What a Josef Rakich thing to do :pfft:

lol, image search didn't turn up any.

Not sure why

[wiggy]

i use to have a tonka truck..ha good times!

[Best Bench]

powerbuilding solves all these problems look strong be strong. except in my case lol

I hear there is a Powerbuilding comp coming up soon, be interested see how many people enter?

I have been to watch a number of BB shows and have enjoyed them all, I have seen BB's come along to watch powerlifting and I hope they enjoyed it.

The majority of people on here are not professional and many don't even compete as BB's or PL's but just enjoy shifting tin. I can only think of 4- 5 powerlifters on here that have lifted at a Nationals. As long as you enjoy what you are doing and not fucking anyone off doing it then that is all that matters.

I think it would be great for more of the BB's or gym rats on here to have a crack at a PL'íng comp, not to prove how strong or weak they are but just to have some fun. A bit more of a commitment to go the other way but we have had a couple of lifters from Eastside jump on stage.

Alternativey we could just do away with all sports and just have a cock measuring contest.

[thatwaslight]

powerbuilding solves all these problems look strong be strong. except in my case lol

I hear there is a Powerbuilding comp coming up soon, be interested see how many people enter?

I have been to watch a number of BB shows and have enjoyed them all, I have seen BB's come along to watch powerlifting and I hope they enjoyed it.

The majority of people on here are not professional and many don't even compete as BB's or PL's but just enjoy shifting tin. I can only think of 4- 5 powerlifters on here that have lifted at a Nationals. As long as you enjoy what you are doing and not fucking anyone off doing it then that is all that matters.

I think it would be great for more of the BB's or gym rats on here to have a crack at a PL'íng comp, not to prove how strong or weak they are but just to have some fun. A bit more of a commitment to go the other way but we have had a couple of lifters from Eastside jump on stage.

Alternativey we could just do away with all sports and just have a cock measuring contest.

in 4 cock off

[steak]

What we need is a ginuea pig. Big mac? Tonka? Steak? Can we size you up for some posing trunks?

can I do a bulk first..Im feelin a little under gunned

[Optimass]

What we need is a ginuea pig. Big mac? Tonka? Steak? Can we size you up for some posing trunks?

can I do a bulk first..Im feelin a little under gunned

I was also thinking this :nod:

[Dr Squat]

powerbuilding solves all these problems look strong be strong.

That's good money.

[Dr Squat]

Powerlifting training has shifted away from the linear methods that the likes of Coan and our own Cathy Millen used to great success. Now we have the likes of Sheiko and Smolov which seem to focus more on the powerlifts themselves. I know Sheiko does involve assistance work but it's not like the additional work that Coan advocated.

I personally think that powerlifters limit their progress by not spending enough time working on weak points. This is where bodybuilding type training is so effective. Specific work for shoulders and hamstrings for example.

I do think that the emphasis on equipment doesn't help. And the equipment is so much harder to use and master. Therefore much more time is required lifting in the equipment which limits time to work on weak points. Back in the day I would wear a new squat suit on the day of the competition! Imagine doing this now. Squat suits take alot of dialing in and you would surely be in trouble if you tried to lift in a brand new squat suit on competition day.

[genetic freek]

Powerlifting training has shifted away from the linear methods that the likes of Coan and our own Cathy Millen used to great success. Now we have the likes of Sheiko and Smolov which seem to focus more on the powerlifts themselves. I know Sheiko does involve assistance work but it's not like the additional work that Coan advocated.

I personally think that powerlifters limit their progress by not spending enough time working on weak points. This is where bodybuilding type training is so effective. Specific work for shoulders and hamstrings for example.

I do think that the emphasis on equipment doesn't help. And the equipment is so much harder to use and master. Therefore much more time is required lifting in the equipment which limits time to work on weak points. Back in the day I would wear a new squat suit on the day of the competition! Imagine doing this now. Squat suits take alot of dialing in and you would surely be in trouble if you tried to lift in a brand new squat suit on competition day.

This is the word of the lord. Amen

[Big john]

This is the word of the lord. Amen

+1 :nod:

[Best Bench]

Powerlifting training has shifted away from the linear methods that the likes of Coan and our own Cathy Millen used to great success. Now we have the likes of Sheiko and Smolov which seem to focus more on the powerlifts themselves. I know Sheiko does involve assistance work but it's not like the additional work that Coan advocated.

Horses for courses. People like SP, Tonka, Dave D have all had done well using Sheiko. I have been tempted to try out Sheiko but just think I would get bored, and at the day if I didn't enjoy lifting I wouldn't do it.

I do think that the emphasis on equipment doesn't help. And the equipment is so much harder to use and master. Therefore much more time is required lifting in the equipment which limits time to work on weak points.

Then again using equipment will mean different weak points. And I am sure there is more than enough time to work on these sufficently. Westside which is still very popular involves using equipment and has a strong focus on weak points. If your goal is to lift as much as possible using equipment (ie the goal of equipped powerlifting) then that is all that matters and that is what you train for.

This maybe controversial but it seems to me that BB's seem a little obsessed about proving they are the strongest considering how much you bench don't mean shit when you are standing on stage in a thong. Just saying :pfft:

As I have mentioned many times, respect to all you guys that get on stage. That is some serious commitment and a whole lifestyle for many, I will stick to being a fat average powerlifter.

[Dr Squat]

I do think that the emphasis on equipment doesn't help. And the equipment is so much harder to use and master. Therefore much more time is required lifting in the equipment which limits time to work on weak points.

Then again using equipment will mean different weak points. And I am sure there is more than enough time to work on these sufficently. Westside which is still very popular involves using equipment and has a strong focus on weak points. If your goal is to lift as much as possible using equipment (ie the goal of equipped powerlifting) then that is all that matters and that is what you train for.

I don't doubt the success of Sheiko. I don't know enough about it but I suspect it works best for advanced lifters. My personal view is that lifters need to obtain a certain level of conditioning before they embark on this. And before they start using "tight" equipment. I don't think they can reach their full potential if they go down this path.

[HarryB]

Best bench..... Strength is just a byproduct of trying to achieve more muscle for most bbs. I know I am not going to be as strong as some PLs and I don't care. What I don't like is when we get made out to be pansies lol...