Why Bodybuilders are More Jacked Than Powerlifters

[thatwaslight]

What I don't like is when we get made out to be pansies lol...

Lol This.

[Dr Squat]

Best bench..... Strength is just a byproduct of trying to achieve more muscle for most bbs. I know I am not going to be as strong as some PLs and I don't care. What I don't like is when we get made out to be pansies lol...

Good call bro. I think we have mutual respect or at least at the top level. I've seen some pretty impressive feats of strength from bodybuilders. And to be honest seeing multiple reps with a big weight on the bench or the squat or the shoulder press is more inspiring than a one rep max.

[thatwaslight]

I thought 180kg was a great 1rm bench until i saw steve orton casually rep it out 10-12 times :shock:

[Best Bench]

I do think that the emphasis on equipment doesn't help. And the equipment is so much harder to use and master. Therefore much more time is required lifting in the equipment which limits time to work on weak points.

Then again using equipment will mean different weak points. And I am sure there is more than enough time to work on these sufficently. Westside which is still very popular involves using equipment and has a strong focus on weak points. If your goal is to lift as much as possible using equipment (ie the goal of equipped powerlifting) then that is all that matters and that is what you train for.

I don't doubt the success of Sheiko. I don't know enough about it but I suspect it works best for advanced lifters. My personal view is that lifters need to obtain a certain level of conditioning before they embark on this. And before they start using "tight" equipment. I don't think they can reach their full potential if they go down this path.

I agree with you. I spent 10 years reading musclemag, watching pumping iron and training like a wanabe BB. I think this gave me a good base to start powerlifting. I did Oly lifting for about 6 months but got bored doing cleans or variations of 5 times a week. So started powerlifting becuase it meant I could still do bench, bicep curls and kickbacks.

On the flip side Sheiko does bring about strength increases by training the neural pathways from the shear volume of the core lifts. Which goes back to original article which discusses strength gains not based on increasing the size of the muscle (ideal if you want to stay in a certain weight class). This is probably where I see the biggest problem with strict Westside training. They advocate a lot of box squatting, which I think is great for building a strong posterior chain, but doesn't teach you how to power squat unless you are wearing a triple ply denim squat suit squatting 10 inchs high. Not so bad if you have been power squatting for 10years but if you are a newb, I would recommend plenty of volume with the core lifts with sub max weights.

[Best Bench]

Best bench..... Strength is just a byproduct of trying to achieve more muscle for most bbs. I know I am not going to be as strong as some PLs and I don't care. What I don't like is when we get made out to be pansies lol...

Anyone who can go through what it takes to get on stage is far from a pansie.

I think it just more a case of powerlifters being to easy to wind up.

[Dr Squat]

I thought 180kg was a great 1rm bench until i saw steve orton casually rep it out 10-12 times :shock:

Exactly. Big and strong.

[ThePman]

Great posts Doc & BB

[HarryB]

Great posts Doc & BB

awesome post Pman ha ha ha ha ha

[oldfella]

powerbuilding solves all these problems look strong be strong. except in my case lol

I hear there is a Powerbuilding comp coming up soon, be interested see how many people enter?

I have been to watch a number of BB shows and have enjoyed them all, I have seen BB's come along to watch powerlifting and I hope they enjoyed it.

The majority of people on here are not professional and many don't even compete as BB's or PL's but just enjoy shifting tin. I can only think of 4- 5 powerlifters on here that have lifted at a Nationals. As long as you enjoy what you are doing and not fucking anyone off doing it then that is all that matters.

I think it would be great for more of the BB's or gym rats on here to have a crack at a PL'íng comp, not to prove how strong or weak they are but just to have some fun. A bit more of a commitment to go the other way but we have had a couple of lifters from Eastside jump on stage.

Alternativey we could just do away with all sports and just have a cock measuring contest.

in 4 cock off

Would this require a mass phase then a cutting phase for vasularity and definition? :pfft:

[thatwaslight]

I hear there is a Powerbuilding comp coming up soon, be interested see how many people enter?

I have been to watch a number of BB shows and have enjoyed them all, I have seen BB's come along to watch powerlifting and I hope they enjoyed it.

The majority of people on here are not professional and many don't even compete as BB's or PL's but just enjoy shifting tin. I can only think of 4- 5 powerlifters on here that have lifted at a Nationals. As long as you enjoy what you are doing and not fucking anyone off doing it then that is all that matters.

I think it would be great for more of the BB's or gym rats on here to have a crack at a PL'íng comp, not to prove how strong or weak they are but just to have some fun. A bit more of a commitment to go the other way but we have had a couple of lifters from Eastside jump on stage.

Alternativey we could just do away with all sports and just have a cock measuring contest.

in 4 cock off

Would this require a mass phase then a cutting phase for vasularity and definition? :pfft:

yes it is also advised to carb deplete then load the night leading up to the event lol

[olympia]

in 4 cock off

Would this require a mass phase then a cutting phase for vasularity and definition? :pfft:

yes it is also advised to carb deplete then load the night leading up to the event lol

Ill only take out just enough to win. :nod:

[big MAC]

Lol, just noticed this 6-page thread on a slowish Sunday night at work.

(in hindsight, this sounds like I'm tooting my own horn, but really, I don't mean too. I have huge respect for the dedication BB's put in, and I'd never have the dedication to maintain a small waist while keeping alot of mass, While I enjoyed powerlifting, I honestly only really did it because I felt like I could take down some u/23 records. Strongman was my game and I'm probably not a good reflection of a dedicated powerlifter. I wanted to be an all-round strength athlete)

What can I say though, the sports are chalk and cheese. I don't think I'd ever be able to get myself looking good on stage. I've got this decent size frame with huge joints. With 32" quads or so, my knees still looked massive.

The majority of my early lifting was oly-based. This lead to big quads becoming bigger, and a pretty measly upper body. I had to work hard for any upper-mass, and the only decent bit of my upper-body were my traps... which were average.

I've attached a pic of myself at 6'4, 150kg, age 22, with arguably the strongest man ever, Zydrunas Savickas (yes, babyface, but he's a BEAST). Also a pic of me about to squat, weighing 145.

If I dieted down, my arms probably would have been suitable for a womens figure contest. That said, I'd do supplementary curl workouts with 90kg for easy sets of 6. Which was far more important for me than getting my arms from 19" to over 20, even though I knew having 19's at 150kg was shameful.

I'm planning on making a comeback to strongman later this year with the hope of challenging once again for the the NZSM title in 2012. This time around, I do intend to add more rep's into my training, and I especially need to build stronger shoulders and work my upper back. My posterior chain is also going to need more reps, and my training will change accordingly. Previously I focussed very much on low-reps and neural efficiency in my training, and looking back, I think this would be one of the key reasons why I was not quite ready to take on the best in the world in SM.

That's enough of a rambling post.

[big MAC]

Gosh, that's way too long.

Cliffs:

Respect to BB's

I'm a big unit, but all I'm good for is being strong, not looking good on stage.

Gonna do more reps in SM comeback

[Bobsta]

^Good post, you've achieved a lot at such a young age and all the best with your comeback mate.

[steak]

Jono you're a machine bro and its these 2 clips here that got me into powerlifting...so you're totally to blame! Pretty inspirational to alot of us bro...sheesh you even got some of the boys dropping calf poses on the platform! :pfft:

Back then you couldve knocked me over with a feather if you told me Id one be wearing your old gear looking forward to catching up mate and seeing the mighty Wookie take on NZSM again.

and this one of you and Simon

I dont think Ive got the heart or will to diet as hard as they do do get into comp condition...the training - no probs but not the dieting. Big ups to those that can handle it I say 8)

[devil_911]

^^ some huge lifts.big reps to big MAC :clap:

[TonganTerror]

Oh come on, nobody wants to make the real cheap-shot post?

Heres a controversial one, why are the bodybuilders on this site stronger than most of the powerlifters? lololololol

http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com/Anti-Doping.49.0.html

That's how you get the argument going

Mean thread lol......why bother "cheating" with peds when I can put on a bench shirt and add the 15kg's I need to reach my 180kg or more bench goal for 2011 :-)

[TonganTerror]

in 4 cock off

Would this require a mass phase then a cutting phase for vasularity and definition? :pfft:

yes it is also advised to carb deplete then load the night leading up to the event lol

ah f*ck it I lose I cant diet to lose fat around my cock to add a couple inches like uh some on here.............

[morattigirl]

Would this require a mass phase then a cutting phase for vasularity and definition? :pfft:

yes it is also advised to carb deplete then load the night leading up to the event lol

ah f*ck it I lose I cant diet to lose fat around my cock to add a couple inches like uh some on here.............

Lol way to kill a thread TT

[tinytraps]

Oh come on, nobody wants to make the real cheap-shot post?

Heres a controversial one, why are the bodybuilders on this site stronger than most of the powerlifters? lololololol

http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com/Anti-Doping.49.0.html

That's how you get the argument going

Mean thread lol......why bother "cheating" with peds when I can put on a bench shirt and add the 15kg's I need to reach my 180kg or more bench goal for 2011 :-)

Im willing to wager that you would put on a bench shirt the first time and not be able to bench 180. Chalk and cheese bro 8)

[thatwaslight]

Would this require a mass phase then a cutting phase for vasularity and definition? :pfft:

yes it is also advised to carb deplete then load the night leading up to the event lol

ah f*ck it I lose I cant diet to lose fat around my cock to add a couple inches like uh some on here.............

LOL

[TonganTerror]

Oh come on, nobody wants to make the real cheap-shot post?

http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com/Anti-Doping.49.0.html

That's how you get the argument going

Mean thread lol......why bother "cheating" with peds when I can put on a bench shirt and add the 15kg's I need to reach my 180kg or more bench goal for 2011 :-)

Im willing to wager that you would put on a bench shirt the first time and not be able to bench 180. Chalk and cheese bro 8)

Nor could I shoot 2ml of test and bench a 180 BRO ....pretty sure the shirt would get me up to weight before the test helped!!!

AGREED chalk and cheese bro...with PED use it will be much harder to reach my 180kg bench than with a shirt :shock:

[Viking Power]

Mean thread lol......why bother "cheating" with peds when I can put on a bench shirt and add the 15kg's I need to reach my 180kg or more bench goal for 2011 :-)

Im willing to wager that you would put on a bench shirt the first time and not be able to bench 180. Chalk and cheese bro 8)

Nor could I shoot 2ml of test and bench a 180 BRO ....pretty sure the shirt would get me up to weight before the test helped!!!

AGREED chalk and cheese bro...with PED use it will be much harder to reach my 180kg bench than with a shirt :shock:

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: I am reading these posts laughing my arse off.... IMO which doesn't really count for much i guess cause I am no pro but have used a bench shirt.... and I would put money on Tongan Terror hitting a 180 bench in it first off if the right person was showing him how to use it tiny traps, I recall you at a work shop that I was at you had a huge increase with Tonka help just after one session! to what you were able to do previously just saying... and with TT raw bench being a good 150 - 160 I see no issues with a tight shirt hitting 180kg... I was training with Mark Mete the first time i used my loose shirt and took 200 down for a touch and my raw bench was 155 I didn't have the power to bring it all the way up but 180 was do able...

Just my 2 cents.... a loose shirt gave me 15 - 20 kkg on my bench a tight one I would hope 20 - 30 and possibly a touch more 8)

[thatwaslight]

I bench 112.5 raw, 287.5 equipped. Just sayin.

[Big john]

I bench 112.5 raw, 287.5 equipped. Just sayin.

lolz...gear whore TWL, them gearz must be ultra tights!

Jackness, then a cock off now Bench shirts and PEDs lolz