Tribulus

[lazyone]

WHAT IS TRIBULUS:

Tribulus terrestris is a natural herb, commonly known as the puncture vine, that has been used for centuries in Europe as a treatment for impotence and as a stimulant to help enhance sexual drive and performance. On the athletic front, this potent herb has been studied and observed to enhance LH (luteinizing hormone) production and boost testosterone levels. This powerful extract, like DHEA and Androstenedione, can help elevate testosterone levels safely and its effects have been coveted by Bulgarian athletes for decades.

Question for the ladies... or any guys that know any ladies who've had experience with it - has it made any positive changes to your physique?? Side effects??

Its natural, so I suppose its safe? Help?

[point of view]

Question for the ladies... or any guys that know any ladies who've had experience with it - has it made any positive changes to your physique?? Side effects??

It is natural,it is safe and it is useless from what I have observed on muscle growth for women.It will reduce the bulge in your wallet though.

[Musculo]

I know a lot of men and women that use it with great results. Like a lot of supplements you need to try it and see how you react to it.

[lazyone]

kewl. thanks guys.

[point of view]

kewl. thanks guys.

I try to have an open mind on every thing but I do know for a fact that if Tribulus had a proven, significant (by clinical trials) effect on testosterone levels then it would have been banned as a performance enhancing product.No one has tested positive to a testosterone to epitestosterone greater than 4:1 through the use of Tribulus.

If you want objective evidence of this products ability to raise test. levels ask your doctor to measure your total testosterone and free testosterone before and after using Tribulus. Most doctors will do this for you.If it really does work then being a woman you should see a dramatic increase as you only produce a minute amount of testosterone naturally.Thats why you are a woman and not a man.But as previous members have stated they know "lots" of men and women who have got good results so it's your call. Good luck

[lazyone]

I try to have an open mind on every thing but I do know for a fact that if Tribulus had a proven, significant (by clinical trials) effect on testosterone levels then it would have been banned as a performance enhancing product.No one has tested positive to a testosterone to epitestosterone greater than 4:1 through the use of Tribulus. If you want objective evidence of this products ability to raise test. levels ask your doctor to measure your total testosterone and free testosterone before and after using Tribulus. Most doctors will do this for you.If it really does work then being a woman you should see a dramatic increase as you only produce a minute amount of testosterone naturally.Thats why you are a woman and not a man.But as previous members have stated they know "lots" of men and women who have got good results so it's your call. Good luck

Excellent advice. Good call with the doctor, Im gonna give that a try.

Thanks!!

[Flex]

Tribulus won't have too much of an effect on T levels in women as it increase LH hormone not testosterone directly. LH is responsible for triggering production or Testosterone in the testes - as women lack this rather vital component they aren't going to see to much of an effect on their T levels.

In females LH stimulates the ovaries, triggering ovulation and increased production of estrogen and progesterone.

There is some anabolic effect associated with increased estrogen, however high estrogen will also result in increased water retention as it stimulates sodium reabsorption. Increasing estrogen levels will also stimulate the female pattern of fat deposit.

In saying that, increased Progesterone actually decreases sodium reabsorption and will have a diuretic effect whilst also increasing body temperature. It is possible that using tribulus would increase Progesterone levels more than estrogen and so it may have a diuretic effect and a slight thermogenic effect.

[point of view]

Tribulus won't have too much of an effect on T levels in women as it increase LH hormone not testosterone directly. LH is responsible for triggering production or Testosterone in the testes - as women lack this rather vital component they aren't going to see to much of an effect on their T levels.

In females LH stimulates the ovaries, triggering ovulation and increased production of estrogen and progesterone.

There is some anabolic effect associated with increased estrogen, however high estrogen will also result in increased water retention as it stimulates sodium reabsorption. Increasing estrogen levels will also stimulate the female pattern of fat deposit.

In saying that, increased Progesterone actually decreases sodium reabsorption and will have a diuretic effect whilst also increasing body

temperature. It is possible that using tribulus would increase Progesterone levels more than estrogen and so it may have a diuretic effect and a slight thermogenic effect.

Thanks for the response Flex-excellent explanation and we keep on learning which is what this Forum is all about.Cheers

[Pseudonym]

:nod: Nice one, Flex.

[lazyone]

Tribulus won't have too much of an effect on T levels in women as it increase LH hormone not testosterone directly. LH is responsible for triggering production or Testosterone in the testes - as women lack this rather vital component they aren't going to see to much of an effect on their T levels.

In females LH stimulates the ovaries, triggering ovulation and increased production of estrogen and progesterone.

There is some anabolic effect associated with increased estrogen, however high estrogen will also result in increased water retention as it stimulates sodium reabsorption. Increasing estrogen levels will also stimulate the female pattern of fat deposit.

In saying that, increased Progesterone actually decreases sodium reabsorption and will have a diuretic effect whilst also increasing body

temperature. It is possible that using tribulus would increase Progesterone levels more than estrogen and so it may have a diuretic effect and a slight thermogenic effect.

Thanks for the response Flex-excellent explanation and we keep on learning which is what this Forum is all about.Cheers

Totally agree. Shot Flex :grin:

[FemMuscles]

Have used Tribulus myself for the last six-five years and have found I got better on it every year, I take it only on training days so then I dont actually cycle off but keep using. Have had some of my clients use it and some it really worked well and others it didnt so it does come down to an individual. I find i retain a denser look to the muscle and more vascular, it also helps balance my hormones so I find my monthly cycle is also easier to handle. :nod:

[Bigboy]

I used Tribulus a few times - and then wondered with the associated cost, we I wasn't just organising some gear.

The botle said take 3 a day. The pills are large. I ended up having to take atleast 4 a day to get any psylogical result. Yes, as man, it can get you a little bit of that 'edge' which is just s feeling, but in terms of actual (anabolic) results -I can't say there was any.

There is a time and place for gear -when you reaching for another $80-$90 for bottle of tribulus - it's genuinely time to consider what other options are avialable.

(just a side note here: Just remember - tribulis in some animals is highly toxix, so those who say, that as a natural subsatance it is safe - I would say, if it is that safe, then it won't actually work.)

[2guns]

I would say, if it is that safe, then it won't actually work

LMAO! :pfft:

[waldo]

There is a time and place for gear -when you reaching for another $80-$90 for bottle of tribulus - it's genuinely time to consider what other options are avialable.

(just a side note here: Just remember - tribulis in some animals is highly toxix, so those who say, that as a natural subsatance it is safe - I would say, if it is that safe, then it won't actually work.)

I find your logical progression interesting bigboy. If the cost becomes prohibitive then you should use gear? What happens if you don't want to use?

You should have a look at the sopharma website and see their studies on tribulus effects. To me it works. I have used it in my competition prep and I must say the fact I have lost no lean mass in 16 weeks of dieting the tribulus has worked. I also lost fat in those hard to lose places (my nuritionist has said that some men are estrogenic when they store fat in love handle type places) and a rise in the levels of test will help that.

My two cents.

[2guns]

big boy, i can semi see what u are saying. but i think you would be hard pressed to find a cycle of gear for wat a cycle of trib would cost u.

i have used tribulis before (profight 750mg) cost me $50 for a bottle of that from xtreme nutirtion (looks like prices have gone up with everything in those stores...)

it worked okish, as in i noticed abit of a difference mainly in recovery not in strength at all.

although waldo i would find it hard also to believe that it was the trib that has kept yr muscle and got rid of love handles lol probably a awesome diet for 16 weeks would do this with or without trib

[Melbot]

Tribex is ok as far as tribulus goes but I would agree with 2 guns, its nothing spectacular. Especially for younger guys

[Bigboy]

I used USN's '17 Testo X', (http://www.usn.co.za/products_ana_testo.htm), it is more than $80 in Auckland.

Go through a few bottles of this, and one thinks 'Why?', that's not a good cost-benefit ratio.

so... em.... gear...looks good!!

[2guns]

Go through a few bottles of this, and one thinks 'Why?', that's not a good cost-benefit ratio.

so... em.... gear...looks good!!

good for u, although some people dont want to use steroids and thats up to the individual.

i guess another example of your argument would be bzp party pills vs ectasy.... the bzp pills are probably more expensive, dont work as well but have less risk (same things as the tribulis) so its personal choice at end of day.

besides wat do u care if someone off nzbb is wasting their money on overrated supps , at least it aint yr cash

[Flex]

So you tried tribulus and now you're on the dbol - think i'd rather take my chances with Tribulus. Personally I've always found good results with trib based supplements, but maybe then I'm not really relying on them to be a miracle product like some people do. Trib doesn't work for all guys as it isn't an direct test replacement like dbol so it may just be that you are a non responder. This can be due to various factors - genetic makeup i.e. your LH levels or test levels may already be quite high, you didn't eat right, incorrect training volume/type, other lifestyle choices etc.

How about creatine monohydrate? I can get a 12 week cycle of decent creatine monohydrate for about $50. Used properly that will give you huge gains, and be a whole lot safer and cheaper than dbol.

[Bigboy]

Creatine - do doubt about it, an essential trainign aid. At nearly 40 yrs of age, Tribulus just doesn't cut-it for me, and I would rather spend the dosh on high grade protein/creatine, rather than Tribulus.

[ohjoshua]

i guess another example of your argument would be bzp party pills vs ectasy.... the bzp pills are probably more expensive, dont work as well but have less risk end of day.

gunner where you get your ectasy???

ectasy costs $50 - 80 per pill

our gym sells bzp for $2.50 per pill

lol,

funny but true

little off topic I know

[2guns]

gunner where you get your ectasy???

i dont get it, even if i did i wouldnt say lol its a class A drug