Ash Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 I saw this pic posted on Intensemuscle in a thread about genetics.It's a young Vic Richards - apparently at age 17. Talk about someone with genetic gifts! :shock: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Sculpted 1* Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 but you reackon hed be using gear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooter Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 WTF 17yrs old??? :shock: :shock: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2guns Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 of course he'd be on tha good shit!thats definetly more than "good genetics" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted April 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 No-one looks like that (or like he did at his peak) without having good genetics, I don't care how much juice they use. If it was all about the juice then at least a few people on this forum would look like that.Assuming that pic is of a 17 year old Vic Richards, let me ask you a question:If you took 100 16 year olds, gave them all the gear they could use and sent them off to gym - how many do you think would look anything like that when they hit 17? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deegee Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 It could be possible, but I find it unlikely that a 17 year old would display the kind of muscle maturity I am looking at in that picture.there are people with great genetics sure, also a lot of tampered photo's out there too. As a sceptic in general I leaning towards the tampered photo option.My opinion only and I know many of you will disagree with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted April 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 As a sceptic in general I leaning towards the tampered photo option.That's quite possible but if there's one guy out there who could look like that at 17, it's Vic Richards - he's pretty much a mutant compared to the rest of us.He's got a teenage picture gallery "under construction" on his site - so that might clarify things eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 No-one looks like that (or like he did at his peak) without having good genetics, I don't care how much juice they use. If it was all about the juice then at least a few people on this forum would look like that.Assuming that pic is of a 17 year old Vic Richards, let me ask you a question:If you took 100 16 year olds, gave them all the gear they could use and sent them off to gym - how many do you think would look anything like that when they hit 17?You sound very Eastern Bloc there Ash! You are right on the genetics call. It ain't the juice that makes him look like that, he's got to be pre-disposed to it. It kinda annoys me that the juice call is the very first call to come out. Can't some guys be given the kudos when it's due?Eastern Bloc weightlifting coaches ( I have trained under two, in NZ, not in East Germany!) had similar directives. Go to schools, select 100s of 'gifted-looking' youngsters (by gifted, we mean meso-morphic shape, hyper-extending arms), train them, monitor progress, cull the weak. I think they would end up with 1-5 people per 100 or so. By the age of 18 you had these teenages breaking world records left right and centre. Juiced to the gills, but nonetheless, the genetics were the main factor in their success.Naim Suleymonglu, a Bulgarian lifter and probably pound for pund the strongest little man to walk this earth broke his first world record at 15 years old. At eighteen he was the first man to Clean and Jerk three times his bodyweight, 180kg at 59kg, and had many other ridiculous feats of strength to his name. A product of the juice? Sure he used it, but there had to be the basis for his body to respond in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted April 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 You sound very Eastern Bloc there Ash! You are right on the genetics call. It ain't the juice that makes him look like that, he's got to be pre-disposed to it. It kinda annoys me that the juice call is the very first call to come out. Can't some guys be given the kudos when it's due?Da! Thank you for your support Comrade :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Here's the beasty little man, he'd have 180kg on the bar during this lift! And bfore anyone asks, he's 4 foot 11inches tall! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varven Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Interesting reading on similair topic:lol I wonder how much controversy I can stir up with this post:http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459790 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wynton Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 If that pic has been tampered with they did a pretty good job. I reckon the photo is real. Whether he is actually 17 in the photo well only Vic Richards really knows that. His face does look young though even if you can can only see the side of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Casey Viator age 19 - now there's some good genetics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2guns Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 19! jesus! i gotta abit of catching up to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantomb Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 I'm surprised no-one's brought up Richard Sandrak.http://www.richardsandrak.comKid turns 14 tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wynton Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 What a strange looking pic. His head looks to big and seems like it doesn't really belong to his body :pfft: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2guns Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 in richards case it more like having a "GREAT DAD" haha.if u have seen the documentary bout him.his father was giving him these "protein shakes" from a very little age and trained him up to act in a circus and taught him martial arts and lots of other bullshit while wrecking this kids body.sure ther are lots of people with great genetics but if ther on the juice how do u know its not just great receptors. i can think of a few nz bbers who in ther junior years were like mice and now all of a sudden ther huge i wont name names but i think once someone starts exceeding certain dosages its more the good shit thts making them grow not the genetics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Sculpted 1* Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 im not a big fan of this post cause your not going to know how great some 1's genetics are if there using and yes the first thing i posted when i saw the first picture was is he using as at 17 no matter what his genetics are like. for me i cant say they have good genetics unless they are natural. That brings up another question what is a great NATURAL body and is natural? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted April 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 It's still all about the genetics - regardless of whether the bodybuilder in question is natural or not. I'm not ignoring the value of doing everything (training, diet, recovery) correctly but at the end of the day, your genetics will dictate how your body responds to the training stimulus and the drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poos_n_wees Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 It's still all about the genetics - regardless of whether the bodybuilder in question is natural or not. I'm not ignoring the value of doing everything (training, diet, recovery) correctly but at the end of the day, your genetics will dictate how your body responds to the training stimulus and the drugs.I agree wit this. Just look at some of the poly/maori boys... some of them are pretty big already and have never stepped foot in a gym before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2guns Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 yeah when they 18 then u next c them at 28 and..... :pfft: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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