Testosterone propionate only cycle questions.

[Zeakk]

This will be my first cycle.

Age: 25

Height: 5'11

Weight: 88kgs

Currently sitting at about 8-9% bodyfat have recently cut down to competition conditioning was about 5-6% so im pretty ripped up at the moment, my goal from this cycle is to gain quality dry lean muscle mass. I DO NOT want any water retention/bloating etc.. I want to keep a hard ripped body while gaining quality muscle.

Here is what i had planed:

Test prop 10 weeks with Arimidex (to prevent sides) PCT with nolva or clomid.

[tomsammce]

what dosage?

imo test prop not holding water is abit of a myth mate. it only holds less water because people use a lower dose most of the time than which they would on sustanon or cypionate etc

[musclenz]

what dosage?

imo test prop not holding water is abit of a myth mate. it only holds less water because people use a lower dose most of the time than which they would on sustanon or cypionate etc

There are arguements for & against this. Some users bloat up more on Prop than Enanthate. Thing is here, as I see it, is that Test is Test. The ester is the time delivery mechanism. Water retention is prevelent in any ester of Test so is Estrogen conversion. Bloat is caused by estrogen more than water retention. Those that bloat on test, even prop, are not using an AI to control estrogen in most cases. Same with longer esters. Mainly its down to the sides of estrogen ie water retention being one of these. Water retention is more the full soft look. Control estrogen & you control water retention & bloat in most cases. Femara at 1mg eod is probably the most effective at this but can give the most sides - joints, libido etc. Arimidex is a safer but less effective. Aromasin is more expensive & stronger but suits the male body better. Take your pick

[EMC]

i had some heavy water rention from prop. can you imagine 3.5 kgs within 6 7 days? the longer esters give you higher total serum levels in the blood but shorter esters aromatize far quicker.

in the end it comes down to how sensitive you are to aromatization. test is test and it functions exactly the same way in the body. i would recommend you control it with aromasin at 12.5mg eod or with arimidex at .25mg eod.

[Chemo]

How beneficial is aromasin or arimidex whilst on cycle?

Will this effect total gain, or just targeted at water gains?

How available is aromasin?

Cheers

[Daz69]

How beneficial is aromasin or arimidex whilst on cycle?

Will this effect total gain, or just targeted at water gains?

How available is aromasin?

Cheers

I suppose the amount of Test you are using determines if an AI is needed..

I wouldn't use an AI on less than 500mg/week... But I recon that depends on the individual..

If you can get the dose right for you, then an AI will be effective....

I would have thought if you stop Test converting to Estrogen by using an AI then you have more available Test, therefore total gain wont be effected. Unless you want to count water bloat, which I'm sure you dont..

arimidex is relatively easy to obtain I've not come accross aromasin...

[samoan_muscle]

i would recommend you control it with aromasin at 12.5mg eod or with arimidex at .25mg eod.

Have you tried either of these?

[EMC]

i would recommend you control it with aromasin at 12.5mg eod or with arimidex at .25mg eod.

Have you tried either of these?

yes