Sustanon 250 & Dbol Cycle

[Yeah-Buddy]

Hey Guys,

Im looking at doing my second cycle in the near future (1st cycle was Test E only, 300mg per week).

Im thinking of doing Sust 250 -either 400 or 500mg per week and Dbol 25mg first 4 weeks.

Questions im hoping to get some good advice on is injection frequency - Im reading everything from eod to once a week and beyond.

Also what would an ideal cycle length be? Again Im finding it difficult to get a consistent answer.

All thoughts and help would be brilliant.

Cheers

[TonganTerror]

I thought the idea of sust was that you got your short ester and long ester in one so you would pin less frequently wouldnt you??

[tomsammce]

Tt u mean more frequently. I have done sus inj once a week, twice also eod, theriotically ed or eod would best since it has propionate in it, but realistically we ain't the top 1%ers so it ain't gonna make shit of a diff. Any reason y u doing sus and not using the test e from same supplier if it worked for u?

[thatwaslight]

What if any advantages are there top running sust over enath, cyp ect?

[tomsammce]

What if any advantages are there top running sust over enath, cyp ect?

none for any of us. go for best $/mg value. test is test. these ppl who say sus hits 4 diff receptors coz it has 4 diff esters are fucking nut jobs.

[thatwaslight]

What if any advantages are there top running sust over enath, cyp ect?

none for any of us. go for best $/mg value. test is test. these ppl who say sus hits 4 diff receptors coz it has 4 diff esters are fucking nut jobs.

i have heard this many times and cant understand haha :doh:

[tomsammce]

this is why ppl price they sus $100 more and ppl still buy it over the other lol

[Daz69]

I thought the idea of sust was that you got your short ester and long ester in one so you would pin less frequently wouldnt you??

This product was developed by Organon as an ideal HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy) solution, and it was thought at the time that the different esters would be able to provide a constant release of Testosterone over a months time. Sustanon is a blend of different estered testosterones (4 of them): testosterone propionate - 30 mg, testosterone phenylpropionate - 60 mg, testosterone isocaproate - 60mg, and testosterone decanoate -100 mg.

This drug was highly sought after as a "superior" version of testosterone in the late 80´s and through the mid 90´s. No doubt this is partly due to the very nice write-up Dan Duchaine gave it in his newsletters. However, lets keep in mind that this drug was designed for convenience, not athletics or bodybuilding. The advantage to this drug, according to the manufacturer, is that it can be injected once a month, and the different esters would provide different timed releases over that month, and the patient would therefore only need to visit the doctor once a month for his shot. For athletes or bodybuilders (who routinely use between half a gram and a gram of testosterone per week), this product is really no better than any other form of injectable testosterone.

Lately, it seems that this product has fallen out of favor, as many feel that the inclusion of the Propionate and phenylpropionate estered forms of testosterone in this blend would necessitate shooting every other day. This stems from the fact that testosterone propionate would be shot every other day at least, and testosterone phenylpropionate would generally be shot every third day.

But still a favourite of mine....... I shoot 250mg twice a week...With Deca 200mg twice a week..............

But recently have switched the Sus half cycle with Enanth & I did seem to notice a difference... But maybe because I was, like I say half cycle & everything was kicking in big time anyway....

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

[Daz69]

Hey Guys,

Im looking at doing my second cycle in the near future (1st cycle was Test E only, 300mg per week).

Im thinking of doing Sust 250 -either 400 or 500mg per week and Dbol 25mg first 4 weeks.

Questions im hoping to get some good advice on is injection frequency - Im reading everything from eod to once a week and beyond.

Also what would an ideal cycle length be? Again Im finding it difficult to get a consistent answer.

All thoughts and help would be brilliant.

Cheers

Hi Fella.........

Its your second cycle, & I suppose also down to a question of availability..

I'm in the UK at the moment so a bit spoilt for choice.....

Sustanon 250mg x2/week & Deca 200ml x2/week has been an old favourite of mine for the last 13 years I think.. I've tried many other stuff & had a good old mix'n match, but I always seem to end up back on my old favourites....

Within reason they are fairly safe'ish..??? As far as gear goes...

I've added Dbol 40/50mg for the first 4-6weeks.... Until the rest kick in...

Like I say.. I used to inject twice a week in quads... Deca in one sus in the other, then alternate (don't know why I just did).....

Sustanon for 14 weeks deca stop after 12 weeks (important to let the test run on a couple of weeks at half dose).... I shot Winstrol depot twice week 13 & once week 14..... But in my calves, because I didn't want to mix water with the oil based Sus & deca....

Thats what I did, & maybe something you could work up to.....

But Dbol 25mg/day for the 1st 4 weeks, combined with Sustanon 250mg x2/week....... Should be a great 2nd course, if that is what you have...

I'd run it for 10-14 weeks depending on how you feel.... reduce your does on the last week.... then maybe use clomid & nolvadex... for a couple of weeks.... HCG if you can afford it....

http://www.steroid.com/Sustanon-250.php

http://www.steroid.com/Testosterone-Enanthate.php

http://www.steroid.com/Dianabol.php

http://www.steroid.com/offster.php

Good luck....

[Yeah-Buddy]

Any reason y u doing sus and not using the test e from same supplier if it worked for u?

My decision came down to best $/mg. The sust I have available to me is a better deal than the Test E. Also have talked to a couple guys who have run sust and rate it highly. I know there is little difference in the big picture as you said test is test so thought id try it out.

[Hi Fella.........

Its your second cycle, & I suppose also down to a question of availability..

I'm in the UK at the moment so a bit spoilt for choice.....

Sustanon 250mg x2/week & Deca 200ml x2/week has been an old favourite of mine for the last 13 years I think.. I've tried many other stuff & had a good old mix'n match, but I always seem to end up back on my old favourites....

Within reason they are fairly safe'ish..??? As far as gear goes...

I've added Dbol 40/50mg for the first 4-6weeks.... Until the rest kick in...

Like I say.. I used to inject twice a week in quads... Deca in one sus in the other, then alternate (don't know why I just did).....

Sustanon for 14 weeks deca stop after 12 weeks (important to let the test run on a couple of weeks at half dose).... I shot Winstrol depot twice week 13 & once week 14..... But in my calves, because I didn't want to mix water with the oil based Sus & deca....

Thats what I did, & maybe something you could work up to.....

But Dbol 25mg/day for the 1st 4 weeks, combined with Sustanon 250mg x2/week....... Should be a great 2nd course, if that is what you have...

I'd run it for 10-14 weeks depending on how you feel.... reduce your does on the last week.... then maybe use clomid & nolvadex... for a couple of weeks.... HCG if you can afford it....

http://www.steroid.com/Sustanon-250.php

http://www.steroid.com/Testosterone-Enanthate.php

http://www.steroid.com/Dianabol.php

http://www.steroid.com/offster.php

Good luck....

:D

Cheers Mate, Yeah Ive got Nolva sorted aswel. The Sust/Deca/Dbol cycle was something I thought of but think its one Ill work up to + the budget only stretches so far aye haha.

[EMC]

most people will recommend sus be injected eod but its fine to pin e3/4d as your good for the other 3 esters. at a low dose its not really worth the hastle of pinning eod just for the prop. if you were running a higher dose you could conveniently pin eod for the benefits of the prop.

the total serum levels are lower than a single ester because the shorter esters arent in the system long. however once the long esters in the sus peak the serum dip is only 5% more than a single ester such as test e. it is very stable to inject every e3/4d in the same fashion as a single ester.

[bob26]

Hey Guys,

Im looking at doing my second cycle in the near future (1st cycle was Test E only, 300mg per week).

Im thinking of doing Sust 250 -either 400 or 500mg per week and Dbol 25mg first 4 weeks.

Questions im hoping to get some good advice on is injection frequency - Im reading everything from eod to once a week and beyond.

Also what would an ideal cycle length be? Again Im finding it difficult to get a consistent answer.

All thoughts and help would be brilliant.

Cheers

how did you go on your first cycle of 300mg a week? gains? what did you use Post Cycle if anything? oh and how did you pin that dude? was it .75ml twice a week?

[oldfella]

how did you go on your first cycle of 300mg a week? gains? what did you use Post Cycle if anything? oh and how did you pin that dude? was it .75ml twice a week?

Sounds like someone is getting ready to go to the other side.

How's the missus gonna take that?? New baby coming, sleepless nights...................

[Yeah-Buddy]

how did you go on your first cycle of 300mg a week? gains? what did you use Post Cycle if anything? oh and how did you pin that dude? was it .75ml twice a week?

I actually started on 250mg a week and increased it after around 4 weeks or so as I hadnt had any negative sides at all and felt 300 would be fine which it was. The gear I had was 200mg/ml and I pinned .9ml every 4th day from memory.

I gained 9kg - realistically probably 5kg muscle 4kg fat as I didnt keep my diet clean enough and should have cycled up my calories instead of eating like mad from the start. (I will eat much cleaner this time and try to get leaner as I grow).

I didnt use a proper PCT and just tapered down last couple weeks and used a OTC Gaspari product. It worked fine and my weight stayed the same as did the majority of my strength.

[bob26]

how did you go on your first cycle of 300mg a week? gains? what did you use Post Cycle if anything? oh and how did you pin that dude? was it .75ml twice a week?

Sounds like someone is getting ready to go to the other side.

How's the missus gonna take that?? New baby coming, sleepless nights...................

:naughty:

natural all the way :shifty:

[bob26]

how did you go on your first cycle of 300mg a week? gains? what did you use Post Cycle if anything? oh and how did you pin that dude? was it .75ml twice a week?

I actually started on 250mg a week and increased it after around 4 weeks or so as I hadnt had any negative sides at all and felt 300 would be fine which it was. The gear I had was 200mg/ml and I pinned .9ml every 4th day from memory.

I gained 9kg - realistically probably 5kg muscle 4kg fat as I didnt keep my diet clean enough and should have cycled up my calories instead of eating like mad from the start. (I will eat much cleaner this time and try to get leaner as I grow).

I didnt use a proper PCT and just tapered down last couple weeks and used a OTC Gaspari product. It worked fine and my weight stayed the same as did the majority of my strength.

ah okay man, how dirty was your diet? take aways or shit you prepared yourself?

[Yeah-Buddy]

ah okay man, how dirty was your diet? take aways or shit you prepared yourself?

Not overly bad, not takeaways(i hardly touch the stuff), just excess calories and over eating. I took some advice to just eat like a maniac to get maximum gains but while thats all well and good I dont think its the best strategy for me.

[bob26]

bodytype?

endo? meso endo?

[goku_kakarot77]

well sustanon has a mixture of 4 esters, and prop is one of them, best way to jab sustanon is at least every other day, but pinning 3xweek is good enough to keep blood levels stable, so if its 250mg/ml, so mon 1/2ml, wed 1/2ml and friday 1/2ml, that give me 375mg ew which is high enough, as for dbol usually u would spread it out every few hours if u were using a very large amount of it, but with all honesty to get the best kick form it is to take the full dose pre workout esp if ur not using much(25mg), gives u an insane androgen boost which u need for training , this was also the method of the old school BB's too, less bloat this way too. keep an AI on hand, just my 2cents

peace

[genetic freek]

I don't think you need to jab sust eod. no point. once or twice per week is fine. Very stable drug.

[goku_kakarot77]

I don't think you need to jab sust eod. no point. once or twice per week is fine. Very stable drug.

if the short ester in there which is prop only has a half life of 3 days i dont know why it would be stable to jab it 1 or 2 time per week, jabin it once a week will leave the sustanon to have very uneven blood levels which aint good, thats why single esters are the best

peace

[samoan_muscle]

I don't think you need to jab sust eod. no point. once or twice per week is fine. Very stable drug.

if the short ester in there which is prop only has a half life of 3 days i dont know why it would be stable to jab it 1 or 2 time per week, jabin it once a week will leave the sustanon to have very uneven blood levels which aint good, thats why single esters are the best

peace

Agreed.

The best results I had from Sustanon/Omnadren was when I pinned an Ampule EOD. Shame theyre not around anymore.

[EMC]

I don't think you need to jab sust eod. no point. once or twice per week is fine. Very stable drug.

if the short ester in there which is prop only has a half life of 3 days i dont know why it would be stable to jab it 1 or 2 time per week, jabin it once a week will leave the sustanon to have very uneven blood levels which aint good, thats why single esters are the best

peace

a dose of 400mg of sus equates to only 48mg of prop. that seems like a big hastle for me to have to pin eod just for 16mg of prop? like sm said its good if your running 1ml eod. even at that dose the prop isnt too significant and thats coming close to 900mg pw of test.