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Carlos Insane

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Thinking of doing growth hormone. Been told 3month suppy $2000 and will need to do about 6months. I weigh 84kg good diet trained last 10 years commited. Havent had any good size gains in last 4years send a PM to me if you dont want it to show up in forum. Want to get over 95kg

I think post your diet and training because 4 years is along time to not gain any weight if you have a solid diet

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GH is not the answer for you......

Eat better & more... no one on the planet can't gain weight over 4 years if eating enough!!

I'm never one to advocate for AAS / PED usage, however if you are seriously considering GH I would say just use Test instead.

For the following reasons:

1) Test (or any AAS) will result in more mass than a GH course

2) GH really requires you to be using relatively high dose AAS anyway for mass gain purposes (positive nitrogen balance)

3) You need to use insulin with GH unless cutting (or as PCT), on its own GH effectively makes your body mimic type two diabetes (insulin resistance)

4) Sides with GH are a little more unknown than a simplistic Test course (IGF, which is one by product of GH is specific to skeletal muscle, however other growth factors released are not!!)

5) Test would be shitloads cheaper even at clinic prices

Peptides are for experienced AAS users, very few in NZL are truly experienced & knowledgable in this area.

I certainly only know the theory so it'd pay to hear what others have to say. MuscleNZ seems to have a good grasp of peptides, so he may concur or disagree with my summary?

Nate

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GH is not the answer for you......

Eat better & more... no one on the planet can't gain weight over 4 years if eating enough!!

I'm never one to advocate for AAS / PED usage, however if you are seriously considering GH I would say just use Test instead.

For the following reasons:

1) Test (or any AAS) will result in more mass than a GH course

2) GH really requires you to be using relatively high dose AAS anyway for mass gain purposes (positive nitrogen balance)

3) You need to use insulin with GH unless cutting (or as PCT), on its own GH effectively makes your body mimic type two diabetes (insulin resistance)

4) Sides with GH are a little more unknown than a simplistic Test course (IGF, which is one by product of GH is specific to skeletal muscle, however other growth factors released are not!!)

5) Test would be shitloads cheaper even at clinic prices

Peptides are for experienced AAS users, very few in NZL are truly experienced & knowledgable in this area.

I certainly only know the theory so it'd pay to hear what others have to say. MuscleNZ seems to have a good grasp of peptides, so he may concur or disagree with my summary?

Nate

Yes Nate has pretty well summed it up in a nutshell. With respect to point 3) I think the use of insulin on a Gh cycle is preferable but not essential. Maybe stating it mimics type 2 diabetes is a bit harsh but it does considerably lower thyroid & insulin levels. By cycling in exogenous slin you can increase Free IGF & IGF protein binding levels to run the whole machine more effectively & make the most of the expensive Gh. So yes you do need to supplement with other AAS & hormones to make the best use of your Gh. Perhaps Bulking will chime in as he is NZ's peptide king of knowledge.

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GH is not the answer for you......

Eat better & more... no one on the planet can't gain weight over 4 years if eating enough!!

I'm never one to advocate for AAS / PED usage, however if you are seriously considering GH I would say just use Test instead.

For the following reasons:

1) Test (or any AAS) will result in more mass than a GH course

2) GH really requires you to be using relatively high dose AAS anyway for mass gain purposes (positive nitrogen balance)

3) You need to use insulin with GH unless cutting (or as PCT), on its own GH effectively makes your body mimic type two diabetes (insulin resistance)

4) Sides with GH are a little more unknown than a simplistic Test course (IGF, which is one by product of GH is specific to skeletal muscle, however other growth factors released are not!!)

5) Test would be shitloads cheaper even at clinic prices

Peptides are for experienced AAS users, very few in NZL are truly experienced & knowledgable in this area.

I certainly only know the theory so it'd pay to hear what others have to say. MuscleNZ seems to have a good grasp of peptides, so he may concur or disagree with my summary?

Nate

Yes Nate has pretty well summed it up in a nutshell. With respect to point 3) I think the use of insulin on a Gh cycle is preferable but not essential. Maybe stating it mimics type 2 diabetes is a bit harsh but it does considerably lower thyroid & insulin levels. By cycling in exogenous slin you can increase Free IGF & IGF protein binding levels to run the whole machine more effectively & make the most of the expensive Gh. So yes you do need to supplement with other AAS & hormones to make the best use of your Gh. Perhaps Bulking will chime in as he is NZ's peptide king of knowledge.

Nate - agree with your points 4 and 5 but not neccessarily 1,2,3.

1. GH increases the number of cells while test only increases the size of existing cells. GH will result in more mass over a long period of time.

2. Not neccessary to run AAS when using any peptide. You will get syngistic benefits from running concurrently though 1 + 1 = 3. GH is a very good bridge to run between AAS courses to maintain mass.

3. Don't need insulin to gain mass from GH but again if you use insulin you will see magnified results (recommend running T3 if including Slin to keep fat gain down).

To the original poster; I would recommend use of GHRP 6 or 2 with CJC-1250 rather than GH to keep costs down because if your budget is $2000 you won't be gaining much mass off GH.

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Hi giys thanks for replyig to my forum. I got interupted when I was putting it up and just wanted to get the question out there. Heres my states Im 31yrs old Body fat about 16% (wll try and get down to 14%) I train at the moment 4 days a week concurrently due to my job I cant train more at the moment but in about 1month I will be able to train 5 days again. Started training 10yrs ago and had good gains, but as stated before no real gains in last 4yrs. Diet good I easily get x2 times my weight in protein in grams a day. I did get side tracked and trained more on the power side than the body building side at 1 stage. If I look at my body I dont think I look small and people comment when they see me but I want to be big. I have tryed alot of products and just end of by been pissed at the end of it as I have seen no results. Odviously I take a protein powder, Ive cycled on creatine done BCAAs, glutamine, tribulus, ZMAs, test booster. Ive used Gaspari products super pump 250, size on, haladrol. Thats not to mention the other pre-work drinks Ive tried.

Ive tryed all styles of training and I try and change it aound evry 4 to 8 weeks. Ive tried X-rep training, super sets, drop sets, gaint sets, strenght training 3reps 4-5sets, body building style 8-12reps 4sets, and proubley every thing inbetween.

So look Im a fitter welder I work 10-12hrs a day. Im no dump arse but Im also not a scientest I have advanced over the personal trainers at the gym (no affence to them they are great and I used many times in the past) I am bigger than most people at the gym and it is had to take advice from other people at the gym when they are smaller and lifting less weight than you(I know it sounds rude but if I want advice its better coming from a 100ky body builder than a 75kg tennis player you know what I mean). I went to a nutritionalist I think they where called RPM on the north shore waste of time that was he looked at my diet said that it was fine pay on the way out.

Well thats enough speeling and grammer mistakes for now. Thanks for help on this forum :clap:

I will put this out there if there is someone that thinks they can help me PM me I will pay to get the results I want. Tennis players need not respond that goes for golf player too they piss me off

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Yes Nate has pretty well summed it up in a nutshell. With respect to point 3) I think the use of insulin on a Gh cycle is preferable but not essential. Maybe stating it mimics type 2 diabetes is a bit harsh but it does considerably lower thyroid & insulin levels. By cycling in exogenous slin you can increase Free IGF & IGF protein binding levels to run the whole machine more effectively & make the most of the expensive Gh. So yes you do need to supplement with other AAS & hormones to make the best use of your Gh. Perhaps Bulking will chime in as he is NZ's peptide king of knowledge.

Insulin resistance, which can be caused by high GH level, simply means normal insulin levels don't regulate blood glucose (& other insulin functions) therefore further (exogenous) insulin can be used. My understanding is that insulin levels themselves aren't actually lowered with GH use? Could be wrong tho?

Nate - agree with your points 4 and 5 but not neccessarily 1,2,3.

1. GH increases the number of cells while test only increases the size of existing cells. GH will result in more mass over a long period of time.

2. Not neccessary to run AAS when using any peptide. You will get syngistic benefits from running concurrently though 1 + 1 = 3. GH is a very good bridge to run between AAS courses to maintain mass.

3. Don't need insulin to gain mass from GH but again if you use insulin you will see magnified results (recommend running T3 if including Slin to keep fat gain down).

To the original poster; I would recommend use of GHRP 6 or 2 with CJC-1250 rather than GH to keep costs down because if your budget is $2000 you won't be gaining much mass off GH.

Context is everything here Pete.

Re: my point 1) He is a newbie (84kg for last 4 years, we can assume no AAS history). A newbie should gain 6 - 12 kg on a decent first cycle (and keep a reasonable % of this if PCT done properly). A GH only cycle will get nowhere near this over 12 - 14 weeks!!!!!! Would be a different debate if it was a guy who'd used AAS for years (and maximised gains from AAS & wanted the next step).

Re: 2) Newbie, not a PCT cycle. As above really.

Re: 3) My comments are really coming from a friend (IFBB Pro) regarding the GH use. GH mainly seems to be used as a pre-comp drug by many pros nowdays. High dose Test & a good comprehension of how to use Insulin (without GH) seems to be a favoured mode for huge mass gains.

Given the context of the original poster I would say forget the GH, do a basic first AAS cycle. However Pete's points make for a good discussion for higher level BBers GH use.

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mate you dont need GH your are 84kg at 16% bodyfat, do some fucken hard work!

Gosh Tom..... You're being very forthright recently....

You're not on chemical enhancements are you....

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

lmao :pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

I'm natural like everyone else.

But seriously GH is just a silly idea for some one like you and just a total waste of money. but hey, its your money at end of day and if you manage to get the real thing and not 100IU of pump water then good on ya!

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Thinking of doing growth hormone. Been told 3month suppy $2000 and will need to do about 6months. I weigh 84kg good diet trained last 10 years commited. Havent had any good size gains in last 4years send a PM to me if you dont want it to show up in forum. Want to get over 95kg

You dont need gh.

Diet , training and basic AAS will get you to where you want to be without wasting all the coin.

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