Beginners cycle for newbie

[musclenz]

To have two lots in a row not to work is pretty unlucky. I guess you have to consider the possibility of either

both lots of pills were fake.

your body is rejecting them via the oral route.

If no luck with the injections then I guess you are one of the unlucky ones whose bodies do not respond to anabolic steriods. Not a common occurrence but does happen to the odd person. Hope it works out for you.

yeh bro so just trying injectables atm hopefully it works out coz the fear of needles is long gone now lol

yeh after a while you will think what all the fuss is over, sticking a little piece of metal into your body. Like most things it will get easier the more you do it.

Hygiene is the no 1 issue with injectables, washing your hands before you start the process, cleaning the injection site, I like to use the sterile alcohol wipes but have also used in the past stuff like mouthwash (high alcohol count). If using multi draw vials don't forget to wipe the top before sticking the needle through the top. It is a good idea to push some air into the vial as this makes drawing the liquid out a lot easier (adds pressure in the vial) so to do this keep the needle in its sheath, attach the syringe and draw back while the needle is still in the sheath The air that is in the shealth with the needle is sterile so better to inject that in to your vial rather than dirty air floating about in the room.

Good luck bro

Good advise Hone . Swab the site BEFORE & AFTER you have done your injection.

[1kg]

On quick review of this site a couple people really stand out when it comes to good advice, musclenz and genetic freak. (That's just my opinion) Dont listen to everyone online

[thatwaslight]

On quick review of this site a couple people really stand out when it comes to good advice, musclenz and genetic freak. (That's just my opinion) Dont listen to everyone online

LOL muscle nz is a walking steroid encyclopedia

[Riccardo]

wipe in one direction too. one swab one wipe.

and don't forget to aspirate. you don't wanna be running round freaking out cause you can't breath. not a nice feeling :pfft:

[got_you755]

wipe in one direction too. one swab one wipe.

and don't forget to aspirate. you don't wanna be running round freaking out cause you can't breath. not a nice feeling :pfft:

Is that injecting into a vein, also does that mean what u injected was a waste??

[Riccardo]

Yep if you inject into a vein large globules of oil can go to your lungs in an embolism and lodge in smaller vessels thus reducing oxygenation of your blood and your respiratory rate increases and feels horrible. Some of the drug will get distributed to muscles but also a large amount will get to your liver and be metabolised before it can do anything so yea its a waste. if you see blood when you aspirate, re-pin. if you are injecting and blood goes into the syringe, stop and replace the pin and inject somewhere else.

[got_you755]

Yep if you inject into a vein large globules of oil can go to your lungs in an embolism and lodge in smaller vessels thus reducing oxygenation of your blood and your respiratory rate increases and feels horrible. Some of the drug will get distributed to muscles but also a large amount will get to your liver and be metabolised before it can do anything so yea its a waste. if you see blood when you aspirate, re-pin. if you are injecting and blood goes into the syringe, stop and replace the pin and inject somewhere else.

yes i read an overseas acrticle about builders having coughing attacks when vein injecting thanks bro more knowledge in the kitty

[goku_kakarot77]

Aight, the test Enth will fully kick in 3-4 weeks, but u will feel fuller and have a higher libido pretty quick say under two weeks, i wouldnt use nolva while on nolva is overated but its good for pct if not using deca/tren, but i would use an AI like small amount of adex, reason- when on test whether u get gyno or not, estrogen still builds up in your system when it builds up u will get depression/low sex drive/ ur gains will halt/mood swings/high blood pressure from water retention/estro fat deposits and shut down from estrogen build up. so its always wise to use a light anti estrogen such as adex 1/4 tab ed or eod will be enough to do the job wihtout effecting gains, i dont think many people realise this too

just my 2c

peace

[got_you755]

Just checking here but when i aspirate, a few bubbles fly into the syringe. This does mean im good to go right?

[oldfella]

Just checking here but when i aspirate, a few bubbles fly into the syringe. This does mean im good to go right?

Yep. Just a small withdraw is fine. Just so you get a clear bubble. Don't pull back any further.

[tomsammce]

i never aspirate if doing my glutes or delts by myself too hard to reach, riccardos post is N/A if doing these common sites, that is more for biceps etc and other sites with the big veins.

[oldfella]

I only do delts and always aspirate. I must have longer arms or Tom you're just too huge to reach. :pfft:

[tomsammce]

OF, i just used to do delts too when i first started did them str8 for like 18 months. take my word, u should rotate your sites as often as possible i had heapsa of scar tissue build up and has only just dissapeared now after fucken ages! though if you insist on doing same site dont use big pins such as 22/23g (grey, blue) use the 25g 1" or 1 1/2" (orange) they smaller so wont leave as much scaring.

[oldfella]

Yeh, only use the orange 25g x 1's.

Nurse once showed me where to jab my arse but haven't tried it yet. Don't you need longer pins for that?

[tomsammce]

1inch is plenty deep enough for any site bro

[samoan_muscle]

OF, i just used to do delts too when i first started did them str8 for like 18 months. take my word, u should rotate your sites as often as possible i had heapsa of scar tissue build up and has only just dissapeared now after fucken ages! though if you insist on doing same site dont use big pins such as 22/23g (grey, blue) use the 25g 1" or 1 1/2" (orange) they smaller so wont leave as much scaring.

Definately.

I had alot of scar tissue build up a few years ago from abusing my delts as injection sites. Whilst the scar tissue seems to make your delts look bigger, from what I understand scar tissue hinders muscle growth? So ultimately defeats the purpose. Rotating sites definately a must.

[PeterDolan]

from what I understand scar tissue hinders muscle growth?

I think that is referring to scar tissue on the fascia as opposed to skin but I could be wrong there

[Riccardo]

Yip scar tissue in the connective sheath around the muscle makes it tight and won't stretch as easy, If scar tissue is severe enough on the skin it will also prevent muscle from getting pumped, I know this is the case with burns victims but I dunno to what degree scar tissue in the skin from injecting would have?

[PeterDolan]

Tom, your thoughts since you've had the scar tissue on your delts?

[tomsammce]

from what I understand scar tissue hinders muscle growth?

I think that is referring to scar tissue on the fascia as opposed to skin but I could be wrong there

thats what we are talkling about mate, not scar on skin like when u cut yourself, scar on muscle under skin, hard lumps and bumps.

[PeterDolan]

from what I understand scar tissue hinders muscle growth?

I think that is referring to scar tissue on the fascia as opposed to skin but I could be wrong there

thats what we are talkling about mate, not scar on skin like when u cut yourself, scar on muscle under skin, hard lumps and bumps.

Oh I see, I'm a little green when it comes to these things

[tomsammce]

Tom, your thoughts since you've had the scar tissue on your delts?

i did no training and no pinning for 18 months so my scar tissue disspeared, was mostly in my left delt and i was always fucking around with it rubbing and digging fingers into it to help it go away, its fixable but just easier to prevent

[PeterDolan]

After a while, did it become increasingly difficult to inject in that site?

[samoan_muscle]

After a while, did it become increasingly difficult to inject in that site?

For me = very difficult.

Mission in itself trying to get the pin in there and then pushing the plunger down was very slow or it wouldnt go in at all.

[PeterDolan]

After a while, did it become increasingly difficult to inject in that site?

For me = very difficult.

Mission in itself trying to get the pin in there and then pushing the plunger down was very slow or it wouldnt go in at all.

Ouch! What type of test were you using?