Beginners cycle for newbie

[bob26]

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

why didn't i think of that? :roll:

oh btw i am not asking for myself, its for a friend :doh:

[Hone]

if you have aromasin, adex, nolva. How would you guys piece the PCT together ?

seems to be alot of varied ways of doing it, some threads i have read saying to use adex as part of your PCT, others saying to only use it during cycle if problems arise and to use aromasin in your PCT. But then the list of variations in recommendations continues with aromasin first, then nolva. both together. etc etc..

After a cycle like what this guy above said of like 500mg a week for 12 weeks with dbol kick start.

how would you guys run the PCT if you had all three of the products i have listed above.

I wouldn't run a PCT with those compounds, simple. I stick to the following which has always worked for me when cycling.

I always use HCG on cycle, 500iu every 5th day. I inject it sub q.

I also have adex on hand should I feel bloat/water retention is getting out of hand. Also have nolva in case I start getting itcy nipples.

After cycle I use clomid and nolva together, always.

clomid 100/50/50/50

nolva 20/20/20/20

Like a lot of things to do with steriods, PCT etc nothing is written in stone and the results, side affects etc can differ from person to person.

[Daz69]

I wouldn't run a PCT with those compounds, simple. I stick to the following which has always worked for me when cycling.

I always use HCG on cycle, 500iu every 5th day. I inject it sub q.

I also have adex on hand should I feel bloat/water retention is getting out of hand. Also have nolva in case I start getting itcy nipples.

After cycle I use clomid and nolva together, always.

clomid 100/50/50/50

nolva 20/20/20/20

Like a lot of things to do with steriods, PCT etc nothing is written in stone and the results, side affects etc can differ from person to person.

I suppose it depends on how how much you've taken & how long your coming off for....

If its only 6-8 weeks then Clomid & Nolvadex are ok...

Like you say when on cycle, have Arimidex & Nolvadex on hand but dont take em if you don't need to....

If your coming off for a while, (we'd try 3 months off once a year if we could manage it)....

We'd use HCG.. Clomid, Nolvadex, Proviron, Clunbuterol.... But only if we'd done a big course....

We'd also incorporate GH just for good measure...

:nod: :nod: :nod:

[Hone]

I wouldn't run a PCT with those compounds, simple. I stick to the following which has always worked for me when cycling.

I always use HCG on cycle, 500iu every 5th day. I inject it sub q.

I also have adex on hand should I feel bloat/water retention is getting out of hand. Also have nolva in case I start getting itcy nipples.

After cycle I use clomid and nolva together, always.

clomid 100/50/50/50

nolva 20/20/20/20

Like a lot of things to do with steriods, PCT etc nothing is written in stone and the results, side affects etc can differ from person to person.

I suppose it depends on how how much you've taken & how long your coming off for....

If its only 6-8 weeks then Clomid & Nolvadex are ok...

Like you say when on cycle, have Arimidex & Nolvadex on hand but dont take em if you don't need to....

If your coming off for a while, (we'd try 3 months off once a year if we could manage it)....

We'd use HCG.. Clomid, Nolvadex, Proviron, Clunbuterol.... But only if we'd done a big course....

We'd also incorporate GH just for good measure...

:nod: :nod: :nod:

Never gone down the GH road, did you use other compounds like slin. What did you think of GH in relation to what you got from it considering the price etc?

[Daz69]

Never gone down the GH road, did you use other compounds like slin. What did you think of GH in relation to what you got from it considering the price etc?

It was a while ago when we last used HGH, 2006 I think... So my memory is a bit patchy.... I'm not a BB so never been huge, more cut to fuk ish'.... & a strong little twat.... As I said earlier, we used it when off gear for about 3 months... So we didn't really notice the drop you'd get from being off, & if anything kept our strength & didnt lose any muscle size.... Only the bulky water retension.....

The bulging stomach you seem to aquire first & lose last when on gear disapeared....

I´m sure you´ve heard about the synergistic combination of using HGH along with Anabolic Steroids, IGF, insulin and T3. The reason is that when these hormones are used correctly together, they´ll produce a large amount of synergy, the insulin is able to shuttle nutrients into your muscle, the thyroid hormone increases your fat-burning capability, the IGF will cause muscle growth as well as helping to grow new cartilage (thus preventing injury), and the anabolic steroids like testosterone, specifically (in addition to being anabolic) can increase IGF-1, in muscle tissue, and maybe even increase your body´s ability to use it. Also, usually, an increased amount of IGF usually tells your body to stop producing HGH, but testosterone actually blunts this part of the Negative FeedBack Loop! And the addition of an Aromatase Inhibitor will also stop conversion of testosterone into estrogen; estrogen reduces IGF levels.

All sounds great but we couldn't get the IGF at that time so just took the HGH... So can't comment on the full works....

We used Jintropin 10iu X 10... kept it in the fridge & used 5iu every other day..... We paid £180 per box of 10....

There's a different product available now but from the same labs "GeneScience"... £160 per box of 10 x 10iu.... Not that pricey, but if your going for the full works could turn out to be... Thats if you can get everything......

Well thats my 2c's........

:wink: :wink: :wink:

[Hone]

Never gone down the GH road, did you use other compounds like slin. What did you think of GH in relation to what you got from it considering the price etc?

It was a while ago when we last used HGH, 2006 I think... So my memory is a bit patchy.... I'm not a BB so never been huge, more cut to fuk ish'.... & a strong little twat.... As I said earlier, we used it when off gear for about 3 months... So we didn't really notice the drop you'd get from being off, & if anything kept our strength & didnt lose any muscle size.... Only the bulky water retension.....

The bulging stomach you seem to aquire first & lose last when on gear disapeared....

I´m sure you´ve heard about the synergistic combination of using HGH along with Anabolic Steroids, IGF, insulin and T3. The reason is that when these hormones are used correctly together, they´ll produce a large amount of synergy, the insulin is able to shuttle nutrients into your muscle, the thyroid hormone increases your fat-burning capability, the IGF will cause muscle growth as well as helping to grow new cartilage (thus preventing injury), and the anabolic steroids like testosterone, specifically (in addition to being anabolic) can increase IGF-1, in muscle tissue, and maybe even increase your body´s ability to use it. Also, usually, an increased amount of IGF usually tells your body to stop producing HGH, but testosterone actually blunts this part of the Negative FeedBack Loop! And the addition of an Aromatase Inhibitor will also stop conversion of testosterone into estrogen; estrogen reduces IGF levels.

All sounds great but we couldn't get the IGF at that time so just took the HGH... So can't comment on the full works....

We used Jintropin 10iu X 10... kept it in the fridge & used 5iu every other day..... We paid £180 per box of 10....

There's a different product available now but from the same labs "GeneScience"... £160 per box of 10 x 10iu.... Not that pricey, but if your going for the full works could turn out to be... Thats if you can get everything......

Well thats my 2c's........

:wink: :wink: :wink:

Good reading Daz, sounds like you have got good knowledge. I can get hold of hygetropin but don't think I will go down that track for a year or two. As you say, can get pretty expensive.

[genetic freek]

It's fine. 500mg test e is ok. Would pull the pinks back to 10mg -20mg per day and run for 4 weeks. Run Nolva during cycle if you need it.

[Outkast]

week 1-4

15mg dbol ed

week 1-10 or 12?

250mg test-e every 5 days

Nolva on hand

Pct 2 weeks after last injection

[Daz69]

hey guys love the forum and im looking at doing my first cycle and would like some feed back and or help and suggestions on what others think of it. I have done loads of research and this is what ive come up with:

wk 1-6 - 30-40mg of dianabol everyday (thai pinks)

wk 1-10 - 500mg of Test E (two injections a week of 250ml)

wk 1-10 - 10mg of Nolvadex everyday.

Start PCT (Post cycle therapy) week 12 with 40mg of Tamoxifen Citrate

(Nolvadex) for 2 weeks then run 20mg ED for another 2 weeks

im just not really sure about running nolvadex during the cycle but it has come up in my research a number of times any thoughts are appreciated !

Hi Fella....

I think by now you'll realise there's plenty of people on here willing to give advice, but not much of it is worth taking....

I see you're 26, but you dont say how long you've trained or what your body weight is?

You say its your first course, so its the one your gonna remember the most..

So its got to be enough... but not enough for you to kill yourself (or anybody else).....

I agree with Nate & Severe, 780mg a week is way too much for a beginer.. You want to get to know the feel of the base drug Test E'.....Otherwise why bother...You've only got 2 x 10ml @ 250mg/ml so you can't go mad...

So I'd start on 250mg Test E' a week.. for 4 weeks & see what happens.... If your happy, try 500mg for 6 weeks then back to 250mg for the last 2 weeks.... then PCT.....

As for the Nolvadex, yeh, have it on hand just in case but if you dont need it then dont take it...

Your already fuking with your body, dont fuk anymore than you need,,

Its all about just enough for your needs, with gear more is not always best...

You could bang in 780mg a week, (you could do much more).... But its your first course, so where do you go from there....?????

You'll never go backwards, so you stuck.. (The only way is up remember).!!

And remember, it will fuk with your head (& everything else inside)... And once its in.... Its in..!!!!!!

It will go when it wants to...!!!! Not when you want it to.....

Its all about moderation, you'll get where you want to go, but it takes time there's no short cut...

Add the Dbol if you decide on a 2nd course...........

Add the Dbol & Boldernone on a 3rd......

Its all about gentle progression & keeping your gains, when added to a good diet & exercise programme..........

What you gain only by massive doses of gear you will lose when the dose ends....

Unless it never ends.......... (and thats another story)....

Goodluck

:wink: :wink: :wink:

[tomsammce]

not much of the advice is worth taking?

you telling him to take 250mg for 4 weeks then 500 for 6 then 250 again for 2, that advice is not worth taking imo, whats your reasoning behind that course?

he may as well just take 500mg a week for 12 weeks.

[Luigi]

not much of the advice is worth taking?

you telling him to take 250mg for 4 weeks then 500 for 6 then 250 again for 2, that advice is not worth taking imo, whats your reasoning behind that course?

he may as well just take 500mg a week for 12 weeks.

yea cant really see the point in that, so you have two vials or 5g of gear

why not just run it for 14 weeks 5g/14=357mg

350mg for 14 weeks is a decent dose which will give you good results and better than running 10 weeks ..... as said above all depends on your weight/height/bf% and training history

[train hard]

hey guys love the forum and im looking at doing my first cycle and would like some feed back and or help and suggestions on what others think of it. I have done loads of research and this is what ive come up with:

wk 1-6 - 30-40mg of dianabol everyday (thai pinks)

wk 1-10 - 500mg of Test E (two injections a week of 250ml)

wk 1-10 - 10mg of Nolvadex everyday.

Start PCT (Post cycle therapy) week 12 with 40mg of Tamoxifen Citrate

(Nolvadex) for 2 weeks then run 20mg ED for another 2 weeks

im just not really sure about running nolvadex during the cycle but it has come up in my research a number of times any thoughts are appreciated !

Hi Fella....

I think by now you'll realise there's plenty of people on here willing to give advice, but not much of it is worth taking....

I see you're 26, but you dont say how long you've trained or what your body weight is?

You say its your first course, so its the one your gonna remember the most..

So its got to be enough... but not enough for you to kill yourself (or anybody else).....

I agree with Nate & Severe, 780mg a week is way too much for a beginer.. You want to get to know the feel of the base drug Test E'.....Otherwise why bother...You've only got 2 x 10ml @ 250mg/ml so you can't go mad...

So I'd start on 250mg Test E' a week.. for 4 weeks & see what happens.... If your happy, try 500mg for 6 weeks then back to 250mg for the last 2 weeks.... then PCT.....

As for the Nolvadex, yeh, have it on hand just in case but if you dont need it then dont take it...

Your already fuking with your body, dont fuk anymore than you need,,

Its all about just enough for your needs, with gear more is not always best...

You could bang in 780mg a week, (you could do much more).... But its your first course, so where do you go from there....?????

You'll never go backwards, so you stuck.. (The only way is up remember).!!

And remember, it will fuk with your head (& everything else inside)... And once its in.... Its in..!!!!!!

It will go when it wants to...!!!! Not when you want it to.....

Its all about moderation, you'll get where you want to go, but it takes time there's no short cut...

Add the Dbol if you decide on a 2nd course...........

Add the Dbol & Boldernone on a 3rd......

Its all about gentle progression & keeping your gains, when added to a good diet & exercise programme..........

What you gain only by massive doses of gear you will lose when the dose ends....

Unless it never ends.......... (and thats another story)....

Goodluck

:wink: :wink: :wink:

what the f*ck was that all about?

moral speach about steroids ?totally over the top!

fucken with your head?

tapering up and down?

sounds like your well overdue to tapper down and stop taking steroids for good all you have are these nightmare stories the poor kid just wanted some feedback on his cycle which yea is prob a bit high but definately not outside the norm.

[got_you755]

im taking everything on board guys it all helps as ive said im 3 weeks away from being able to start it i have heard that i need to feel test e own its own first but iv also been told being the first cycle go hard soo.... yeh im still taking everything in and will eventually come up with a plan thats safe and sound i hope !!

[Daz69]

not much of the advice is worth taking?

you telling him to take 250mg for 4 weeks then 500 for 6 then 250 again for 2, that advice is not worth taking imo, whats your reasoning behind that course?

he may as well just take 500mg a week for 12 weeks.

Hi Tom...

There's a couple of reasons.... Which I think I tried to explain.. So did Nate & Severe....

One being, he's never taken anything before so its his first course...

We're trying to give reasonable advice, for his particular circumstances (of which we dont know much) apart from its his first course....

So I'd assume he's been training 3 or so years put a reasonable amount of muscle on, got his diet & training correct but reached a sticking point so wants to give it a try..??? (but thats only an assumption) So should we give advice until we really know..???

That aside....

Suppose he gets a bad reaction, suppose its shite stuff & he gets health/infection issues... Once its in its in...!! There's fuk all he can do, what if he's buzzing his tits off & there's a 1000mg inside him...

I know I'm being a bit on the safe-ish' side (which isn't like me)... But I'm giving advice to someone else.... What he ultimately decides to do is up to him....

With regards to starting on 250mg, again its only his first course, the idea was to see what happens, see how he is feeling (what if he doesnt like it) Yeh I know a big what if..? :pfft:

If he's ready then go for 500mg then reduce for the last 2 weeks... If you did the maths then he doesnt have enough for a full 12 weeks on 500mg anyway.......... So I thought this would suit what he actually had...!!

I wasn't actually refering to your advice Tom so no need to be offended..

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

[Daz69]

what the f*ck was that all about?

moral speach about steroids ?totally over the top!

fucken with your head?

tapering up and down?

sounds like your well overdue to tapper down and stop taking steroids for good all you have are these nightmare stories the poor kid just wanted some feedback on his cycle which yea is prob a bit high but definately not outside the norm.

That, the Fuk..!!! was about trying to give some semblance of reasonable advice to a lad considering stacking 780mg a week for a 1st cycle......

Never taken the stuff before & Bang..!! 780mg...!!!! It would fuk with my head, as I am sure it would fuk with most other peoples..!!

I was agreeing with Nate & Severe with regards not stacking the Dbol & just relying on the Test E'....

So if you do the maths on what he already has 2 x 10ml @ 250mg/ml, then he doesnt have enough for 500mg at 12/14 weeks anyway....

You're told to reduce your test over the last weeks & not to just terminate.... So what I said suits what he's got...

He cant take what he doesn't have....

I can't comment on the strength of NZ gear, but the stuff we have over here is mostly pharma grade & powerful as..!!

So I can only speak on how I feel...

I not a BB, my thing is mainly contact sports, Rugby & Boxing... I'd boxed for 17 years before I stacked steroids, all of the lads I train with work in security on one way or another, so our emphasis on strength & agression is maybe a bit different... Our end result goes beyond the lifting of weights for just size/strength... You've got to be able to pack a punch as well as being able to take one.... (maybe there's been one too many)

I'm sure it does fuk with your head, I know its fuked with mine over the years, so maybe it is time to taper down.... Maybe your right...

Would you?

:?

[Daz69]

what the f*ck was that all about?

moral speach about steroids ?totally over the top!

fucken with your head?

tapering up and down?

sounds like your well overdue to tapper down and stop taking steroids for good all you have are these nightmare stories the poor kid just wanted some feedback on his cycle which yea is prob a bit high but definately not outside the norm.

That, the Fuk..!!! was about trying to give some semblance of reasonable advice to a lad considering stacking 780mg a week for a 1st cycle......

Never taken the stuff before & Bang..!! 780mg...!!!! It would fuk with my head, as I am sure it would fuk with most other peoples..!!

I was agreeing with Nate & Severe with regards not stacking the Dbol & just relying on the Test E'....

So if you do the maths on what he already has 2 x 10ml @ 250mg/ml, then he doesnt have enough for 500mg at 12/14 weeks anyway....

You're told to reduce your test over the last weeks & not to just terminate.... So what I said suits what he's got...

He cant take what he doesn't have....

I can't comment on the strength of NZ gear, but the stuff we have over here is mostly pharma grade & powerful as..!!

So I can only speak on how I feel...

I not a BB, my thing is mainly contact sports, Rugby & Boxing... I'd boxed for 17 years before I stacked steroids, all of the lads I train with work in security on one way or another, so our emphasis on how strength & agression is channeled is a bit different... Our end result goes beyond the lifting of weights for just size or strength...Or how you look in a mirror.... Its used against another person..

So in that context maybe our mindset is very different, & in time it eventually does fuk with your head..

So maybe it is time to taper down.... Maybe your right, maybe your not...

But its been fun......

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

[train hard]

fair comment daz i went abit overboard it is good to let these new fullas know the risks of steroids its not all smooth sailing its a big decission to make.

[severe]

We should all have started off easy, with just a base product like test enanthate, even though many may not have. Hell, I love Dianabol, but everything has its time and place.

It is easy to say 'go for it' as loading up on mulitple drugs worked for you, or a friend of a friend.

But what Daz is saying is to take a cautious approach, and feel the water, before diving in the deep end. A beginner will get great results from just that single compound.

The savings from not getting the dianabol can also ensure more food which is something many people forget when they walk down the aas road.

Beginners should get beginning cycle advice, because that is safe advice. If he comes back saying that he is going to go hard anyway, then we can adjust our comments to provide that experience knowledge.

[thatwaslight]

We should all have started off easy, with just a base product like test enanthate, even though many may not have. Hell, I love Dianabol, but everything has its time and place.

It is easy to say 'go for it' as loading up on mulitple drugs worked for you, or a friend of a friend.

But what Daz is saying is to take a cautious approach, and feel the water, before diving in the deep end. A beginner will get great results from just that single compound.

The savings from not getting the dianabol can also ensure more food which is something many people forget when they walk down the aas road.

Beginners should get beginning cycle advice, because that is safe advice. If he comes back saying that he is going to go hard anyway, then we can adjust our comments to provide that experience knowledge.

nice post :clap:

[got_you755]

deffinatley got me thinking i was at first considering dbol only but my research and this forum has all said that oral onlys are frownd upon, waste of time and money apparantly, but i have read other peoples stories of gaining weight and muscle and keeping alot of what theyre gained. soo thats why i got dbol and test e maybe 25mg a dasy for 5weeks and just the minimal does of test e @ 250mg a week for 12 weeks

[justhell]

hey got_you755,

im no pro on aas but i have researched for over 1 year now and have done 2 cycles.

i think that you should do 500mg testosterone enanthate per week for 10-12 weeks and dont use d-bol for ya first cycle,

just see how you go with one compound first.

i dont think you should only do 250mg per week because your gonna shut down natural test anyway.

like people say your first cycle will be the best,so go for it mate,500mg per week.(if training and eating in check)

dont use nolva unless you get sides.

good luck & welcome to the dark side :pfft:

[TonganTerror]

there is one more factor in play here ........if you already have the dbols on hand can you resist eating them through your cycle or will you be too tempted and just start them mid cycle :pfft: if this is the case may as well eat em as part of the proper cycle and front load the test with them.....

[Daz69]

there is one more factor in play here ........if you already have the dbols on hand can you resist eating them through your cycle or will you be too tempted and just start them mid cycle :pfft: if this is the case may as well eat em as part of the proper cycle and front load the test with them.....

Hey TT....

I'm sure the lads got loads of will-power & won't be tempted one bit...

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

[tomsammce]

have any of you guys ever used the dbol at weeks 4-8 in a 12 week cycle, this also works very good a the test and dbols are working at the same time, this kicks arse good

[Riccardo]

have any of you guys ever used the dbol at weeks 4-8 in a 12 week cycle, this also works very good a the test and dbols are working at the same time, this kicks arse good

Have you used this method before? Did you have any extra estrogen related sides? I would have thought conversion would be quite high using this method?