insomnia

[Jigga]

when does being up late change to being up early?

Good question, good question.

i would say around 3am you are up late, around 4am you are up early

but what if you dont sleep at all? i think you have to have been to sleep to "be up early"

what do use think?

I concur

[musclenz]

Xyrem is not GHB (Gamma-hydroxybutyric acid) it is Sodium Oxybate! (Not to be too pedantic it does convert to GHB as does GBL & other related compounds).

However possessing GHB (or GBL or any other relative of GHB as covered by NZL's strict laws relating to derivatives: "The isomers of the substances mentioned in clause 1 whenever the existence of such isomers is possible within the specific chemical designation") other than Xyrem will get you charged with possession of a class 2 drug.

HP - be clear with your facts around such issues, the ramifications could be large for those being misinformed by you. :nod:

Sorry Nate, but they are one in the same thing . Sodium Oxybate is a just a type of GHB, this is why it is called NaGHB the same with the potassium based compound of it you mentioned K.GHB. If it wasnt GHB it wouldnt have it in the chemical abbreviation :pfft:

If you stop and look at chemical symbols it will tell you what it is. So in this example -

Na- the chemical symbol for salt (or sodium)

K.- the chemical symbol for potassium.

GHB - the chemical symbol for GHB :nod:

So in laymens terms we have salt GHB and potasium GHB.

I think you are confused because GHB is often listed on the internet with its pre cursors like 1,4B and GBL. But these are just pre cursors and not GHB. This is why they do not have the letters GHB in there chemical symbol :nod:

Even on the Xyrem site itself they admit that it is GHB. This extract is copied and pasted from the Q and A section.-

•The active ingredient of XYREM is a form of gamma-hydroxybutyrate (GHB). GHB is a chemical that have been abused and misused.

LOL - I have 3 200-Level Biochem Papers HP, I am clear what the compounds are, K.GHB & Na.GHB are not GHB, they are both salts of GHB which is an acid.

It's a moot point really anyway as I'm not sure if GHB (in the acid form!) is actually used by anyone & probably the name GHB is used by lay persons to describe Na.GHB (sodium oxybate by another name!), K.GHB and likely a bunch of other compounds less related that metabolise back to the acid (GHL, 1,4B etc).

It's also moot because the 'analogue laws' passed back in the late 90's / early 2000's cover any of the salts & the lactones and put them all in the same class (Class 2), although as you point out if you have Na.GHB in a pretty Xyrem packet with a script to boot, you're covered by the restricted medicines legislation.

So apart from technical aspects of law & biochemistry HP, I think we're on the same page! :grin:

It's nice to know we have some astute Biochemists in our midst :pfft:

[muscle2011]

try healtheries easy sleep. works for me. or u can go to chemist and ask about sleep gels.