deadlift speed

[chaos]

Also I haven't seen anyone mention using bands to increase speed or dling off a box........do you guys have that stuff on the wrong side of the equator?

Good post chaos. Dont know many people who have the platform for setting bands up to pull against them off the floor but a few guys use the reverse band although I always thought that was more of a lockout exercise. few of us use deficits, although im inclined to say that the best way to increase speed is just get fuckin stronger 8)

Well if the rack is bolted down you just sets the safetys at the bottom and wrap the bands there or you can wrap the bands around some heavy ass dbs. Bands are good for both lockout and speed, if you're not moving fast enough, no strength is going to lockout the band. :wink:

I agree about getting stronger, but as someone that dealt with a slow pull and a quick lockout, I had to learn to train to get myself faster out of the hole.

[chaos]

And don't forget chains......you guys get those yet down there?

[nate225]

And don't forget chains......you guys get those yet down there?

A while ago! LOL

Seriously though a few (mainly Powerhouse, my crew & a few others) started with chains & bands back in the early 2000's after getting onto WSB & Louie Simmons advice.

Personally I've used bands & chains for DL's but didn't them rate as highly as when used for squats.

I prefer deficits, and a mix of ME & RM Deads while also targeting weaknesses (glutes at the mo, probably hammies in the past but GHR's sorted that!). That said I've never pulled that 660lbs I'm after!

[ohjoshua]

Also I haven't seen anyone mention using bands to increase speed or dling off a box........do you guys have that stuff on the wrong side of the equator?

Good post chaos. Dont know many people who have the platform for setting bands up to pull against them off the floor but a few guys use the reverse band although I always thought that was more of a lockout exercise. few of us use deficits, although im inclined to say that the best way to increase speed is just get fuckin stronger 8)

to just get stronger...

If you are fast, you are strong. The opposite is not always true.

[Viking Power]

Also I haven't seen anyone mention using bands to increase speed or dling off a box........do you guys have that stuff on the wrong side of the equator?

Hey brother,

Yeah will give those bands a go for deadlifting will look into that one tiring them to a dumbbells aye I will see if I can find out how they set them up properly on elite fitness web site bound to be there somewhere another option for gaining explosive power 8)

Deadlifting off safety bars in a power rack,would that give the same effect as deadlifting off boxes? I have seen Andy Bolten do these off boxes just wondered why not out off a power rack - I was thinking maybe just more room in the open for those big fellows thats why they use boxes?

If not what are the benefits off boxes to rails in you opinion brother?

VP

[rose]

Also I haven't seen anyone mention using bands to increase speed or dling off a box........do you guys have that stuff on the wrong side of the equator?

Hey brother,

Yeah will give those bands a go for deadlifting will look into that one tiring them to a dumbbells aye I will see if I can find out how they set them up properly on elite fitness web site bound to be there somewhere another option for gaining explosive power 8)

Deadlifting off safety bars in a power rack,would that give the same effect as deadlifting off boxes? I have seen Andy Bolten do these off boxes just wondered why not out off a power rack - I was thinking maybe just more room in the open for those big fellows thats why they use boxes?

If not what are the benefits off boxes to rails in you opinion brother?

VP

Deadlifting off boxes is said to resemble an actual deadlift more than rack pulls.

Chains/bands etc are better than rack pulls for lockout strength IMO, added bonus full ROM. Depends where the weakness is though eh. No point having awesome lockout strength but weakness off the floor.

[nate225]

Deadlifting off boxes is said to resemble an actual deadlift more than rack pulls.

Yes & a hell of a lot friendlier on bars! :grin: (note to self - don't put the elieko bar in the power rack! :pfft: )

Chains/bands etc are better than rack pulls for lockout strength IMO, added bonus full ROM. Depends where the weakness is though eh. No point having awesome lockout strength but weakness off the floor.

Personally I don't rate rack pulls at all (unless training for a partial DL event in SM comp). I find deficits highlight any weaknesses & force you to pull faster off the floor (or get caught on quads/lockout). Pulling faster from the floor & driving the hips through (aka "midnight maneuver") early resolves any lockout issues for me.

As an aside I find rack pulls are often the 1/4 squats of the DL world - ego training but not much else! :grin:

[rose]

I find deficits highlight any weaknesses

Personally I don't rate rack pulls at all... As an aside I find rack pulls are often the 1/4 squats of the DL world - ego training but not much else! :grin:

Agree.

[steak]

we use bands and chain for deads (and squat/bench) for good results.

[Viking Power]

Cheers Rose, Nate & Steak.

All tips and advice taken on board thanks heaps :clap:

Brother Steak Red Machine has got something for you cheers :clap:

VP

[steak]

Cheers Rose, Nate & Steak.

All tips and advice taken on board thanks heaps :clap:

Brother Steak Red Machine has got something for you cheers :clap:

VP

I'll send him your way with you supps bro...if he runs in eyes all glazed better count the contents :grin:

[Viking Power]

Cheers Rose, Nate & Steak.

All tips and advice taken on board thanks heaps :clap:

Brother Steak Red Machine has got something for you cheers :clap:

VP

I'll send him your way with you supps bro...if he runs in eyes all glazed better count the contents :grin:

LOL he always looks like that :shifty: LOL sweet mate thanks I'll sort the balance out next time up mate suit didn't cost much brother 8)

cheers VP

[chaos]

Also I haven't seen anyone mention using bands to increase speed or dling off a box........do you guys have that stuff on the wrong side of the equator?

Hey brother,

Yeah will give those bands a go for deadlifting will look into that one tiring them to a dumbbells aye I will see if I can find out how they set them up properly on elite fitness web site bound to be there somewhere another option for gaining explosive power 8)

Deadlifting off safety bars in a power rack,would that give the same effect as deadlifting off boxes? I have seen Andy Bolten do these off boxes just wondered why not out off a power rack - I was thinking maybe just more room in the open for those big fellows thats why they use boxes?

If not what are the benefits off boxes to rails in you opinion brother?

VP

Setting the weight on the box is the same as the safety bars, but without danger of bending the bar when/if it gets dropped.

But what I am talking about is actually standing on a 6" box and deadlifting from there, so the bar is about toe level. It adds the extra distance to your pull as well as puts you further into the hole so it helps with exploding out of the hole.

[nate225]

Also I haven't seen anyone mention using bands to increase speed or dling off a box........do you guys have that stuff on the wrong side of the equator?

Hey brother,

Yeah will give those bands a go for deadlifting will look into that one tiring them to a dumbbells aye I will see if I can find out how they set them up properly on elite fitness web site bound to be there somewhere another option for gaining explosive power 8)

Deadlifting off safety bars in a power rack,would that give the same effect as deadlifting off boxes? I have seen Andy Bolten do these off boxes just wondered why not out off a power rack - I was thinking maybe just more room in the open for those big fellows thats why they use boxes?

If not what are the benefits off boxes to rails in you opinion brother?

VP

Setting the weight on the box is the same as the safety bars, but without danger of bending the bar when/if it gets dropped.

But what I am talking about is actually standing on a 6" box and deadlifting from there, so the bar is about toe level. It adds the extra distance to your pull as well as puts you further into the hole so it helps with exploding out of the hole.

Most here refer to these as Deficit Deadlifts as mentioned earlier in this thread.

Personally I find 6" deficits not as good as 2-4", definately harder but also tend to throw the groove out too much. Just my humble opinion tho.

[steak]

im no expert by any means but actually found a 2" block gave me more back in the way of carryover to my deadlift too...this was of course after spending plenty of time pulling from a 4" and 6" block and i know of course its hard to gauge exactly how much i got from either and being tall (6'2") it may have just been that 2" suited my long body. horses for courses but when my deadlift stall im one for bands, chain and blocks 8)

[chaos]

Hey brother,

Yeah will give those bands a go for deadlifting will look into that one tiring them to a dumbbells aye I will see if I can find out how they set them up properly on elite fitness web site bound to be there somewhere another option for gaining explosive power 8)

Deadlifting off safety bars in a power rack,would that give the same effect as deadlifting off boxes? I have seen Andy Bolten do these off boxes just wondered why not out off a power rack - I was thinking maybe just more room in the open for those big fellows thats why they use boxes?

If not what are the benefits off boxes to rails in you opinion brother?

VP

Setting the weight on the box is the same as the safety bars, but without danger of bending the bar when/if it gets dropped.

But what I am talking about is actually standing on a 6" box and deadlifting from there, so the bar is about toe level. It adds the extra distance to your pull as well as puts you further into the hole so it helps with exploding out of the hole.

Most here refer to these as Deficit Deadlifts as mentioned earlier in this thread.

Personally I find 6" deficits not as good as 2-4", definately harder but also tend to throw the groove out too much. Just my humble opinion tho.

Oh, thanks for clearing that up TBone. Dont use the box much myself, mostly the chains and bands when I want variety.