NZFBB / IFBB - Whats going on?

[nate225]

Just read the "Open Letter" from Moe (I assume but couldn't view full letter?) on Go Figure. http://www.gofigure.co.nz/doc/content/view/997/7/

Seems to be stating that the Australian aligned events to be held in NZ are not IFBB sanctioned events? I was under the impression they were sanctioned but by Aussie IFBB affiliate?

Mike D, Kay, can you clarify?

It also seems to threaten Mike & Kay with suspension and legal action?

It seems Moe is implying you could lose your card Mike? Seems bizzare if your show is indeed sanctioned by the IFBB? Someone getting their wires crossed?

Nate

[spot-on]

here is the said letter that was sent out by NZIFBB or was it NZFBB

Hello Everyone,

On behalf of the New Zealand IFBB International Federation of Bodybuilding and its committee, I Moe El Moussawi as the president of the NZFBB find it my duty to protect, support and work for the benefit of every member of our federation.

Is there a new bodybuilding federation called NZIFBB now. Its good to see that Moe is still with NZFBB or is he ?????

It is an IFBB rule that any IFBB event taking place in any country is to be sanctioned and agreed by the country's federation only.

Does NZ still have a IFBB federation as its not run the way it should be ????

It is an IFBB Professional League rule that any Pro League member, athlete or judge should only promote, participate,guest pose,conduct a seminar,appearances or any kind of support in an IFBB sanctioned event. Failing to do so, his or hers status will be suspended immediately.

So why was Brian McFarlane who is the NZFBB internation / professional judge at the NABBA show in Hamilton over the weekend. Just look at Gofigure and you will see a pix. So will he be suspended immediately ??????

We at the NZFBB have invited Mr. Mark Stewart, Mr. Mike Debenham and Ms. Kay O` Neil to sanction their events with the NZFBB Federation. We offered our support only to be turned down and refusing to work with the NZFBB.

The event that is being promoted on the 9Th of September by Mark Stewart who is currently suspended from the NZFBB and not a current member, is a non-IFBB sanctioned event by the rules nor can he sanction it by anyone other than myself as a president and the committee of the NZFBB.

Does the NZFBB have a committee ????? if so who are they

This rule also applies to the other events that claim to be sanctioned by the IFBB. The South Island promoted by Mike Debenham and the Tauranga show promoted by Kay O'Neil on the 25Th of September 2010.

Just read the posters that they have put up and see who its run under

Therefore, any member participating or supporting an illegal IFBB event will jeopardise his or hers status with the IFBB. Such a member will have their membership forfeited and not be able to compete at the 2010 NZFBB Nationals.

It has always be a rule of the NZFBB that any member that does a non NZFBB comp has there membership forfeited

Mark Stewart has illegally used the membership list contacts to illegally promote his event. This behaviour shows his repeated dishonest approach

towards the NZFBB and the best interest of every member of our federation.

Mark Stewart has lots of friends and aquaintance that were members and non members of the NZFBB. So how do they know he used the membership list

This will not stop here, The NZFBB is going to press charges in our legal system in New Zealand under the incorporation society law for the illegal misuse of federation property, as well as pressing charges with IFBB at the World Congress coming up in November.

Is the NZFBB or is it the NZIFBB that’s going to press charges under the incorporation society ????

It is truly unfortunate to have to put our members in this controversy. We sincerely apologise for any inconvenience.

Do they have any members as going by the people doing NABBA so far this year that once did NZFBB

Thank you for your understanding and I hope to see you at our NZ Nationals that is going to be one of the greatest events ever. We are qualifying two teams, one to the 2010 IFBB World Championships and the other team to the 2011 Arnold Classic in the United States.

Going by last years Nationals how can it be the greatest event ever

Also there were people that got turn down that wanted to compete overseas for unknown reason.

Moe El moussawi

NZFBB President

[weener lad]

Having talked to Paul Grahame the other day about the Ozzy event everything seemed to be in order.

Maybe NZFBB (Moe) needs to organize the AGM before going off on other tangents.

[AllenNZ]

Having talked to Paul Grahame the other day about the Ozzy event everything seemed to be in order.

Maybe NZFBB (Moe) needs to organize the AGM before going off on other tangents.

good one weener :nod: yes when are they going to have there AGM

[nate225]

Just had a review of the IFBB Constitution http://www.ifbb.com/pdf/constitution.pdf and it looks like Moe is partially correct.

Article 15 – National Federations

15.1 General:

For the purposes of governing the sport of bodybuilding and fitness at

the national level, and carrying out the mandate and objects of the IFBB at such

level, the IFBB shall recognize one National Federation per country where such

country shall be defined as “a country whose statehood is recognized by the

international community”.

15.2 Procedures:

Any national sport governing body for the sport of bodybuilding and

fitness, wishing to affiliate with the IFBB, shall submit, in writing and to the

President, the following documentation:

1. A request for affiliation, signed by their president and general

secretary.

2. Documented proof of the organization’s acceptance by their Ministry of

Sport, or National Olympic Committee, that they are the sole

recognized national sport governing body for the sport of bodybuilding

and fitness within their country.

3. A copy of their constitution and rules, said constitution and rules which

must be in conformity with the Constitution and Rules of the IFBB.

4. The annual affiliation fee, said fee which shall be made payable to the

IFBB and which shall be in an amount as established from time to time

by the Executive Council.

5. A signed statement by the president of the organization seeking

affiliation with the IFBB that the organization agrees to abide by the

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Constitution and Rules of the IFBB and the decisions and rulings of the

Executive Council.

15.3 Confirmation of Membership:

Upon receipt of the applicable documentation and affiliation fee, the

organization shall be provisionally affiliated as a National Federation until the

next annual meeting of the Congress at which time the affiliation shall either be

confirmed or denied.

15.4 Authority:

The National Federations shall be authorized by the IFBB to carry out

its objects at the national level and, as such, shall have the following duties:

1. To administer the sport of bodybuilding and fitness within their own

jurisdiction according to the Constitution and Rules.2. To advise their Members of the current Constitution and Rules,

decisions and rulings of the President, Executive Council and

Congress, as well as the policies and activities of the IFBB.

3. To submit and uphold the points of view of their Members at the annual

meeting of the Congress.

4. To implement Doping Control programs and to ensure that their

athlete-members are competing drug-free at IFBB-sanctioned

international events.

That said Moe's crew & the previous committee probably went out on a limb canning the Drug Testing Programme! :grin:

15.6 Suspension:

Any National Federation may be suspended for the following reasons:1. Falling two or more years in arrears in the payment of its affiliation fee.

2. Failing to adhere to or comply with the Constitution and Rules or the

decisions and rulings of the Executive Council and Congress.

3. Failing to implement an effective Anti-Doping Program and to ensure

that its athletes are competing drug-free at IFBB-sanctioned

international events.

Might be a case of pick n choose and who has the ear of those in power (e.g. Manion & co).

Will be interesting to see how this plays out. With 4 million people & only a couple of hundred competing BBers in NZL do we really need these politics?! :roll:

[bigmd]

Hi all to answer a few questions as i have to much to do organizing another fantastic south island show to spend to much time on explanations

I am running a show that is associated with IFBB South Pacific/Oceania.

This area is Governed by Paul Graham of Australia, so as far as im concerned, i am within IFBB rules.

If indeed my actions lead to me loosing my Pro Status I would question this as the above paragraph explains

As for legal action..... for what what law have i broken. im not calling myself NZFBB so id imagine the it the IFBB that would have to Press Charges and if that the case, why would i have IFBB in Australia

welcoming the athletes from my show to his show.

Either way we are running a show that will start on time, using the same successful formula that i have used for the last 4 years and prior to that Jean Scott used, a good fair honest show that the athletes love

Jean Scott, Leanne Roulston, Gary Pullen, Myself and and Darrin Pavelka AKA Jazz. All well respected ex NZFBB Judges and Test Judge will be judging. So again seems our move has a bit of respect amongst very respected ex officials and Judges.

Anyone and every one is welcome to this show and nobody will be turned away, and from here we don't mind where the athletes show of there hard work next.

This message has been edited from its original and i take it on the chin after some interesting correspondence today that you original post may be offensive to some. i don't wish to portray that, id rather just get on and run a good show.

regards

Mike Debenham

Promotor

[Gym rat]

When I read the letter on Go figure yesterday I thought afterwords this issue has got me very confused :? between the NZFBB/IFBB another thought came to mind which was NZFBB and NZIFBB which made me wonder who is on the current commite. I am with Nate it will be very insterating to wait and see what happens give that there are only 4 million people who live in this country and 200 athletes who competing.I agree with Nate do we need politics this sport ?I think not plus I don't like seeing politics in sport.Well said Mike all very confusing is right.

[Loochi]

Politics make this sport so fucking gay.. It's like because we have nothing to do but to eat, train and sleep that we do this to entertain ourselves ...

Don't know about you fellas but it's not worth it eh..

Gonna have a lil rant here...

I am not an elite athlete in this sport or anything, (NO way near it or will be nor do I care really) but this sort of shit (not the sole purpose) made me not want to compete in this sport again.. Or take training so serious for that matter.

I realised a couple of days ago when I received this very same email that, before when I used to go to the gym with the boys it was all for fun and we really enjoyed it.. Having friendly competition, conversations and enjoying the iron pushing our 1 rep max or what ever the challange was..

Now it feels like a chore from taking it so serious and the competitive aspect is ALL good don't get me wrong and big ups for you who are doing this day n and day out, but also does have its down side which I'm sure you agree with me on that one, and one of many examples is this crap.

I know the judges couldn't give two shits about the amatuer athletes and 9/10 they wouldn't use 'politics' on them or yada yada yada.. But all this bullshit has gotten out of hand from both sides in my opinion.

I know this may sound stupid, but I am going to start to lift for myself again. I know you might be thinking

"Bro you should be lifting for yourself in the first place!"

True, but what I mean is that I don't need or feel the need to validate the accomplishments of my physique with a medal / trophy or a placing. I did before and it took away my passion for the iron and instead it turned into an unhealthy obsession of trying to be 'symmetrical' or what ever it is and ignoring all the fun.

Time to go back to the old school days..

Later everyone n hope all this shit gets sorted out for ALL your sakes from both parties.

[Plaintiff]

Umm.. how are we supposed to go to the NZFBB nationals if there's no south island champs :?

Anyway, I'm looking forward to competeing at your event Mike.

[agent86]

Umm.. how are we supposed to go to the NZFBB nationals if there's no south island champs :?

Anyway, I'm looking forward to competeing at your event Mike.

Why would you waste your time going to a crap NZFBB Nationals. A week after Mike's show there is a Nabba/WFF Nationals in Christchurch. Real handy and you won't get screwed by a corrupt federation.

Just imagine it. At Mike's show and Nabba/WFF you will be treated like a person not a revenue stream.

I am amazed that Moe doesn't know how he is screwing things up. The website is so far out it doesn't even have the correct Nationals date.

[Optimass]

True, but what I mean is that I don't need or feel the need to validate the accomplishments of my physique with a medal / trophy or a placing. I did before and it took away my passion for the iron and instead it turned into an unhealthy obsession of trying to be 'symmetrical' or what ever it is and ignoring all the fun.

Time to go back to the old school days..

Amen bro - welcome to the club :wink:

[Jimbob]

Lol is all I can say. The second most striking thing about this letter is that the spelling is correct (mostly) and that Moe uses some words that have more than four letters, leading me to believe either he has gone to school or that someone else wrote it for him.

The most hilarious part is the following statement from the first paragraph:

" I Moe El Moussawi as the president of the NZFBB find it my duty to protect, support and work for the benefit of every member of our federation. "

Moe never does anything for anyone other than himself, and I think the majority of ex-NZFBB members actually see that now. This letter smacks of cries for help from someone who can see now that his pool of supporters is seriously dwindling.

Good on all those who have actually taken the bull by the horns and moved away from Moe/NZFBB. It was the only way all the bullshit could be dealt with: leave it all behind and start afresh.

[Gym rat]

I also thought the first paragraph in the statement was very funny or good on people who have moved away from Moe and the NZFBB it is the only way this big bull shit can be delt with to a fresh and better start for the NZFBB which will makes things more better for athlets and judges and officals

[Snapper]

definatly looks like the NZFBB are under mortar fire, problem is there is

only 1 general and a couple of admirers, the rest of the battalion have

crossed over to a better run outfit.

the writing was on the wall, Moe should pack up his friends and head to USA

where someone gives a shit. :clap:

[Gym rat]

By the looks of things have gone bad to worse for the NZFBB the only problem is there is on genral who is making things go down the loo and couple of supporters as well.Good on the people who have jumped ship and gone over to a better fedration that is well run.The writing was on the wall in the first place when Moe became presiant of the NZFBB by making thing go down hill.That sound like a good plan Snapper where Moe should just pack up his things and head back to the states. and where someone dose give a shit :clap: :clap:

[rimma]

the copy/paste keys on your keyboard must be getting pretty worn out GR?

[Marven Yacoub]

Hey guys was just wondering who knows weather the waikato muscle tournament is a qualifier for the nationals? and weather it has teenage or juniour men catogories?

[agent86]

Hey guys was just wondering who knows weather the waikato muscle tournament is a qualifier for the nationals? and weather it has teenage or juniour men catogories?

Metvuw.com or metservice.com for the weather forecast.

[bigmd]

Hey guys was just wondering who knows weather the waikato muscle tournament is a qualifier for the nationals? and weather it has teenage or juniour men catogories?

Yes it is a qualifier for the NZFBB Nationals. and it will have those classes. Brian McFarlane is the man to talk to about that show.