Should Steroids Be Legal?

[Beef]

Next thread should steroids be legal?

keen to get your thoughts on this.

[Outkast]

all this anti steroids stuff is part of this agenda where they try to feminize men,

think about back in the days of the ancient greek society,

they abandoned weak men in the wilderness to die, nowadays western society wants men to become more like passive women! :pfft:

[Beef]

yeah but you can still be masculine without performance enhancing drugs.

[TonganTerror]

Yes they should that way I wont have to spend a year or more on the forum proving my worth before asking the lads on here to help me out :nod:

On a serious note its guys like me who expect to reach their natural potential or close to it in the next year or so whom would be benefited by being able to see a doctor and get proper advice on what to take and how to take it and have follow up consults where the doc can monitor us properly!

[bob26]

if you can buy booze and cigarettes which are bad for you and eventually make you look like crap, you should be allowed to buy steroids that are bad for you but make you look good.

[train hard]

i think you should be able to have a certain amount for personal use and not be breaking the law if you were able to get it over the counter you would be more certain that it was legit who knows on the fence?

[Beef]

if you were to make them legal, what age restriction would you suggest?

[HumanPerformance]

Jesus! Steroids are legal!! Doctors perscribe them every day.They are just a restricted medicine thats all. Like Viagra or the pill or antibiotics. There are many doctors in the auckland area that will prescribe them for physique enhancement under the guise of "hormonal replacement". They cant be sold over the counter like vitamin C as they come with risks and side effects just like all medicines.

[PTinCHCH]

Jesus! Steroids are legal!! Doctors perscribe them every day.They are just a restricted medicine thats all. Like Viagra or the pill or antibiotics. There are many doctors in the auckland area that will prescribe them for physique enhancement under the guise of "hormonal replacement". They cant be sold over the counter like vitamin C as they come with risks and side effects just like all medicines.

thats what i thaught.

allready readily available to the public

[bob26]

Jesus! Steroids are legal!! Doctors perscribe them every day.They are just a restricted medicine thats all. Like Viagra or the pill or antibiotics. There are many doctors in the auckland area that will prescribe them for physique enhancement under the guise of "hormonal replacement". They cant be sold over the counter like vitamin C as they come with risks and side effects just like all medicines.

very good point. :clap:

[musclenz]

Jesus! Steroids are legal!! Doctors perscribe them every day.They are just a restricted medicine thats all. Like Viagra or the pill or antibiotics. There are many doctors in the auckland area that will prescribe them for physique enhancement under the guise of "hormonal replacement". They cant be sold over the counter like vitamin C as they come with risks and side effects just like all medicines.

Technically Doctors who prescribe them for enhancement in NZ are breaching their code of ethics IMO. AAS & Peptides should be decriminalised here & be available for personal use much like in the UK where they are still classified under the Medicines Act & do require a prescription from a Doctor but where this is rarely policed unless the amounts are for supply & larger than for personal use. Customs are not worried & allow internet & airport supplies to go through providing they are not seen to be for on sale or are counterfeit. Its much looser than in NZ, Aust & the US as the Law have deemed Class A drugs to be their priority. Many OTC drugs readily available can have side effects & risks. Paracetamol 8gms (4 tabs) can cause liver shutdown in some people particularly if alcohol is involved.

[ohjoshua]

all this anti steroids stuff is part of this agenda where they try to feminize men,

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slightly better then the pro steroid stuff which is part of the agenda to masculize women.

:pfft:

[tii]

like them being prescription,

think its better to have the norm being natural, with steroids available to anyone you risk changing that

[Yeah-Buddy]

like them being prescription,

think its better to have the norm being natural, with steroids available to anyone you risk changing that

So you think if steroids were readily available the norm would not still be natural? Imo anyone who truely wants to use will get them anyway, its not difficult. Its just an inconvenience the way it is and is simply an attempt to remove the ability to make decisions for themselves. If alcohol and tobaco are available under restriction and kill/injure god knows how many people a yr why cant steroids fall under the same category?

[Beef]

yeah but do you think people that are taking steroids illegally should be able to get health insurance?

[Outkast]

yeah but do you think people that are taking steroids illegally should be able to get health insurance?

Yes! Because Human Grade product is not widely available on

the "Black Market"

But that would all change if they made gear legal and otc for all!

IM DREAMING!

[startinfromscratch]

i would like them to be legal, but that would be worse because all the plabs who go to use when they cant even eat to gain, would f*ck up there endo systems, and blame the roids. at least now, SOME people who help others out are mindful enough to avoid giving guys who cant hit 75kgs an aas stack.

unfortunatly, people cant be trusted with their own wellbeing..

[train hard]

i would like them to be legal, but that would be worse because all the plabs who go to use when they cant even eat to gain, would f*ck up there endo systems, and blame the roids. at least now, SOME people who help others out are mindful enough to avoid giving guys who cant hit 75kgs an aas stack.

unfortunatly, people cant be trusted with their own wellbeing..

i agree but the sad thing is alot of suppliers dont give a shit who they sell too and will give to anyone even if they dont have a clue

id like to be able to import my gear and not have to flip a coin to see if its gona make it through customs or not

[TonganTerror]

All very well saying it isnt illegal in NZ but from following this forum and others Ive realised that its not just the test but the other things you should take with them which help keep the size on and stop with the negative sides, I dont think these mens clinics help with all the extras would they??

also if it were more open then we would have more first hand experience from users and therefore be using the correct doses etc

[tii]

like them being prescription,

think its better to have the norm being natural, with steroids available to anyone you risk changing that

So you think if steroids were readily available the norm would not still be natural? Imo anyone who truely wants to use will get them anyway, its not difficult. Its just an inconvenience the way it is and is simply an attempt to remove the ability to make decisions for themselves. If alcohol and tobaco are available under restriction and kill/injure god knows how many people a yr why cant steroids fall under the same category?

this is y I like them being prescription, I think it should be an inconvenience for people to get hold of them. Not to experienced lifters.. but to the 18-19 year olds out there who want to be benching 100kg for reps yesterday (as I did) without any vigilance of the long term effects. At the end of the day the guys that really want them get them anyway, so whats the problem with keeping it away from being over the counter.

Also steroids are not recreational, so you can't compare it interms of how it is seen by the public because you don't just go out and get jacked when you feel like it.. it is something that makes you bigger, faster stronger with a longer term detrimental affect, something a lot of people don't understand

My issue is that if you take something from being illegal to legal to every member of society, it goes from being wrong to right.. As an example if 2 equally skilled kids go for a position in the first XV and one decides to juice the other one should to in order to meet rise in expectation, because it is now seen as being ok to do so, regardless of his own ethics/health beliefs.

Its the same reason you don't have roids in the olympics.. its not that they don't like steriod athletes its that its not fair on the others who work there ass off but don't want to go down that road.

[Beef]

like them being prescription,

think its better to have the norm being natural, with steroids available to anyone you risk changing that

So you think if steroids were readily available the norm would not still be natural? Imo anyone who truely wants to use will get them anyway, its not difficult. Its just an inconvenience the way it is and is simply an attempt to remove the ability to make decisions for themselves. If alcohol and tobaco are available under restriction and kill/injure god knows how many people a yr why cant steroids fall under the same category?

this is y I like them being prescription, I think it should be an inconvenience for people to get hold of them. Not to experienced lifters.. but to the 18-19 year olds out there who want to be benching 100kg for reps yesterday (as I did) without any vigilance of the long term effects. At the end of the day the guys that really want them get them anyway, so whats the problem with keeping it away from being over the counter.

Also steroids are not recreational, so you can't compare it interms of how it is seen by the public because you don't just go out and get jacked when you feel like it.. it is something that makes you bigger, faster stronger with a longer term detrimental affect, something a lot of people don't understand

My issue is that if you take something from being illegal to legal to every member of society, it goes from being wrong to right.. As an example if 2 equally skilled kids go for a position in the first XV and one decides to juice the other one should to in order to meet rise in expectation, because it is now seen as being ok to do so, regardless of his own ethics/health beliefs.

Its the same reason you don't have roids in the olympics.. its not that they don't like steriod athletes its that its not fair on the others who work there ass off but don't want to go down that road.

great post. well said

[Beef]

what i don't understand is why creatine is legal if steroids are illegal? can someone elaborate?

the common answer is that our bodies produce creatine naturally so it can't be banned, but our body produces steroids also.

[HarryB]

I say if you want to take aas you should be able access them legally. People who are going to go crazy and do damage to themseves are going to do so anyway. The difference would be that the greater majority of steroid users would be able to be monitored by their drs and would be able ensured of having REAL and clean gear.

As it stands, users have to TRUST whoever they purchase their steroids from and also rely on anecdotal evidence as to what they can expect to gain and what dosages work etc etc etc

Of course then we'd need Drs who know about steroids. I mean ask your average Dr what he knows about creatine and you won't get anything constructive. Let's not forget it's the medical system that tells us that steroids will kill us! Well maybe they will but not as quickly as alcohol or other recreational drugs!!!!! I am sure we all know a lot of guys who have jacked themselves silly and apart from just generally looking crap they haven't dropped dead on us. It's usually the guys who mix all kinds of drugs, recreational and sports drugs that come unstuck.

As for the argument that how do you regulate it in sports, the answer is simple. Test athletes for it if that's the ruling of your governing body. Some people will always cheat no matter what you do so whether or not we recreational bodybuilders can get steroids is a moot point. A teenage athlete looking for an advantage will make his or her own choice and if it's against the ruling of their particular sporting federation then kick em out. Heck they can always get back in.... we got lots of pros in our sport who have failed more than their fair share of drug tests. Lucky we can always find god eh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

I can smoke cigarettes til emphesema claims my lungs, I can drink til I drop dead on the spot and I can take a box of aspirin and keel over, heck I can eat donuts until my guts explodes... but heaven forbid I want to take some test and get bigger and leaner.

It's the hypocrisy that kills me...

[TonganTerror]

I say if you want to take aas you should be able access them legally. People who are going to go crazy and do damage to themseves are going to do so anyway. The difference would be that the greater majority of steroid users would be able to be monitored by their drs and would be able ensured of having REAL and clean gear.

As it stands, users have to TRUST whoever they purchase their steroids from and also rely on anecdotal evidence as to what they can expect to gain and what dosages work etc etc etc

This is exactly my reasoning for allowing it so those of us whom want to get massive lean super strong can have the expert advice and quality gear assured, as you say how can we trust someone is supplying the proper gear??

[dsmi163]

what you gonna do, send this fella to prison?