old fella - Thread Wrap Up

[ohjoshua]

So what do 20 y.o active trainers do for fat tests? :pfft:

[oldfella]

So what do 20 y.o active trainers do for fat tests? :pfft:

20 and active - high metabolism - geez, what fat. :roll:

[oldfella]

End week 7.

Dropped test to .4ml twice a week since Wednesday. Will do this for 2 weeks then drop the Proviron. Stay on .4 for another 2 weeks then begin again.

Only noticeable thing is still being red faced with minor changes in heat or exertion. Strength is about the same. Not getting any big increases in weight. Hard to judge for instance when squats have changed from normal to 4 secs down and 1 up. That's fun.

It finally happened - thought I broke something. Was on back, had finished single arm ISO row, 100kgs per side (can't fit any more) then went to chins. Got about 6 out and something went. Couldn't pull myself up without reasonable pain. Pain was lower left back up on the bottom ribs. It's coming right, but sneezing ain't fun and just have to watch when lifting anything that causes a bit of a twist.

Have decided not to compete, pulled the pin on that. Have dieted the last 3 years and just can't get focused or driven enough to get there this year. Having 3 lives (normal, training, other) can get a bit much, plus there's any amount of stress going atm. Just don't need to add the stress of dieting to the mix. Would rather be more chilled out about dieting and get there over a longer period.

Looking to compound the gains I get, rather than diet and lose some then try to get them back again after comp, and be better for next year. Will still go for the drop in bodyfat and look at aiming for 15% and maintain it till around Xmas. Then possibly a bit of a cut should I get the boardies out.

[oldfella]

End of week 8.

BF - 21.5%

Weight - 85.90kgs. Seems to be hanging around the 86-87 mark. If I can keep reducing BF and staying a similar weight I'll be happy.

Measurements - slight decrease in waist. Other areas such as arms have lost BF but remained the same size so some gains there.

Flatter this week. Must be due to less gear.

Managed 95kgs on t-bar and 2 sets of 100kg per side on single arm iso row. Then the back went again. Got a physio to check it out and I've pulled the lower lat muscle. So no back this coming week or squats etc.

Am going to start a weight cycle to coincide with the gear cycle. 8 weeks hard out with gear then 4 weeks reduced gear and weight / reps / sets etc.

There's a regime on the net called Slingshot training. Looking at something similar where you give it all for a period with "assistance", then back off so everything clears and has a chance to heal before going at it again.

Look at starting this in a weeks time. So the coming week will be getting over a few injuries and looking at maintenance.

[oldfella]

Not a lot to report in.

Back injury coming right. It's apparently something to do with ribs as well as the lower lat. Not bad, just don't sneeze - that's a killer.

Workouts this week plus another 2 weeks are mainly 2 - 3 sets of 15 with a minute rest between sets. Lets call this the maintenance part. 4 weeks of this was planned but this one will be more like 3 to coincide with the proposed upcoming cycle.

Have dropped test and Prov altogether. Am also dropping all supps from today. Want to give myself 2 weeks to flush everything out.

Then it will all be cranked up a gear for 4 weeks then cranked up again for another 4 weeks before back to maintenance.

Got a new diet that will work with each of the 4 weeks.

Word of caution - don't eat a Cordon Bleau Subway. :puke: Had a treat last Friday and it sucked. The fat that was hiding in the edges made me feel bloody crook. Also happened to a friend of mine.

[oldfella]

Had a check in this week and have lost more BF. Not a major amount but have also gone down in overall weight -82.95 kgs. Size is the same so we've managed to hang onto the muscle gained during cycle.

Still not taking any pill / supp except 1/2 turbo before morning cardio and pre workout. Not prepared to waste either session by doing it half arsed.

Workouts are still 2 sets of 15 over 6 exercises per major body part. One more week of this then kick into the next cycle. Reps will drop, weight will go up, with 5 exercises per major body part.

Next cycle begins next weekend - teste and Eq.

Changes over the last 10 days or so - wounded myself a few times and bleed like a stuck pig (blood must be thinner). Winter coat has taken on an extra burst (would have expected this being "on" cycle) and a few extra spots (which ties in with the previous bit).

[EMC]

Next cycle begins next weekend - teste and Eq.

you just finished your first cycle and your jumping back on the horse already what kind of pct did you run and did you get some blood work done?

[oldfella]

Next cycle begins next weekend - teste and Eq.

you just finished your first cycle and your jumping back on the horse already what kind of pct did you run and did you get some blood work done?

What's PCT?

I wouldn't worry about pct - just stay on forever

I tapered down the test the last week or so then dropped it and the Prov.

4 weeks (might be 3) with nothing not even a multi vit - bit of a flush out. No bloods done.

Not being irresponsible with my body, having inhabited for over 50 years I've got a pretty good idea of what it does. I also took part in a research study recently and got a clean bill of health for liver, kidneys, blood, bf etc.

I keep an eye on my BP and am now working with a great nutritionist to make sure I don't get too fat and put too much stress on anything.

Not getting back on the horse, more just stopped at a weigh station for a rest. Yippee-ky-aye - bring it on. :pfft:

[bob26]

could we get a few more photos up as end of cycle ones there old fella just to see the difference...

[EMC]

post cycle therapy.

[oldfella]

post cycle therapy.

Sorry, I did get it. :nod: Mentioned I tapered down then stopped. Only a short period off and with what I had didn't feel the need for an indepth pct.

[oldfella]

could we get a few more photos up as end of cycle ones there old fella just to see the difference...

Feel like crap today - may look to do some next weekend before the next cycle starts.

[oldfella]

Began the next cycle on Sat. This will be test e and Eq. Will also take Prov for estrogen control. There does seem to be quite a bit of debate on the value of Prov for estorgen control. Decided to take it and control the estrogen rather than possibly get it and then control it. May finish with oral stan at the end, I think this will depend on how my bf looks after 8 weeks.

Test for 2 weeks then begin the Eq.

Weight has dropped to 81.15kgs which is pleasing. Hope the bf has dropped as well.

Weights for the next 4 weeks will be warmup of 12 then 2 sets of 9-12 till failure with form.

[TonganTerror]

looking forward to this cycle mate Im keen to see some progress pics also :nod:

[Im Hungry]

hi oldfella, will you be using a training partner or training on your own?

may i suggest that your 1st working set of each exercise you aim for 8 reps to complete muscle failure (MF). You may need an extra set in your warm up sto prepare you for the weight required.

Then for the 2nd working set add weight so you hit muscle failure at 5 or 6 reps, drop the weight and squeeze out another 6 to 8 reps.

This way you'll hit MF 3 times in 2 working sets, each MF will have fatigued a slightly different fibre type.

And stay away from the padded machines

[oldfella]

looking forward to this cycle mate Im keen to see some progress pics also :nod:

Should make the effort to get a couple on the weekend.

hi oldfella, will you be using a training partner or training on your own?

may i suggest that your 1st working set of each exercise you aim for 8 reps to complete muscle failure (MF). You may need an extra set in your warm up sto prepare you for the weight required.

Then for the 2nd working set add weight so you hit muscle failure at 5 or 6 reps, drop the weight and squeeze out another 6 to 8 reps.

This way you'll hit MF 3 times in 2 working sets, each MF will have fatigued a slightly different fibre type.

And stay away from the padded machines

Don't have a training partner and can't see any likely candidates round the gym. Bit of a pain on squats and bench which I know leaves me a bit short of absolute failure.

The suggested plan was 4 weeks sets of 12-15 with 1 min rest, 4 weeks sets of 9-12 with 2 mins rest, then 4 weeks sets of 6-8.

I'm always open to suggestions.

[Im Hungry]

do you have a smith machine with the safety catches you can place at different heights? if so use this for squats and benches.Less stabilizer recruitment but you will be able to hit failure which is of more benefit.

Alternatively do drop sets with the dumbbells to replace bar movements that don't allow failure.

With legs you could do single leg press to complete failure, giving yourself a spot with the hand. Don't do this with 2 legged press as taking both hands off the hand grips may cause your torso to move under load and yo may compress a disc. If you have a hack squat machine you could hit failure on that, presuming there are safety catches.

Focus less on exact time of rest between sets. Give yourself enough time to allow breathing to return to "normal" on big leg and back exercises.

What you could do is aim to have your workout finished in 45 mins. Watch the clock when training. This allows you a little longer to rest when required and you will rest less in between the less taxing sets.

[TonganTerror]

do you have a smith machine with the safety catches you can place at different heights? if so use this for squats and benches.Less stabilizer recruitment but you will be able to hit failure which is of more benefit.

Some good advice there mate...Its all very well using a smith machine to go to failure but I find those whom have a spotter to push those extra reps out when you are at failure make gains on the bench alot quicker than those without!

I like the dumbells when you are by yourself as you can get that half rep out hold it as long as you can then dump it also agree the drop set is worth its weight in gold I would only do that on your last set on flat bench though not every set.

[EMC]

what sort of doses are you running on this cycle? did you manage to get your BP down?

[oldfella]

what sort of doses are you running on this cycle? did you manage to get your BP down?

Up to 500mg test PW, then tapering down over 8 weeks. Eq up to 400mg PW then tapering down over 12 weeks.

BP is good right now. Just know its not playing up but will get it tested in a couple weeks when I'm at 500mg test and beginning the eq.

Reckon the cardio is doing not only bf reduction but keeping me in good health. Not having taken anything except Turbos I feel shit loads better. Will take a bit to get me back on the supps.

[EMC]

what sort of doses are you running on this cycle? did you manage to get your BP down?

Up to 500mg test PW, then tapering down over 8 weeks. Eq up to 400mg PW then tapering down over 12 weeks.

BP is good right now. Just know its not playing up but will get it tested in a couple weeks when I'm at 500mg test and beginning the eq.

Reckon the cardio is doing not only bf reduction but keeping me in good health. Not having taken anything except Turbos I feel shit loads better. Will take a bit to get me back on the supps.

nice. you probly already know this but the eq will still be in your system after week 14 so you probly wont begin your pct till week 15. meanwhile will you be running something along side the eq after discontinuing the test?

[oldfella]

what sort of doses are you running on this cycle? did you manage to get your BP down?

Up to 500mg test PW, then tapering down over 8 weeks. Eq up to 400mg PW then tapering down over 12 weeks.

BP is good right now. Just know its not playing up but will get it tested in a couple weeks when I'm at 500mg test and beginning the eq.

Reckon the cardio is doing not only bf reduction but keeping me in good health. Not having taken anything except Turbos I feel shit loads better. Will take a bit to get me back on the supps.

nice. you probly already know this but the eq will still be in your system after week 14 so you probly wont begin your pct till week 15. meanwhile will you be running something along side the eq after discontinuing the test?

Yeh, the tapering off down to low dosage is part of the pct. dbol was a possibility but after the guts ache I got from the last cycle, will probably give that a miss. Oral stan may be an option.

Bit wary about putting too much info up as others (without having a chat to someone) may try to copy it - and it may just not suit them.

[oldfella]

End of the first week back on.

400mg for the week plus Prov.

Strength went through the roof this week. Blew me away the amount I was able to shift. Took some of I'm Hungry's advice and mixed it in with what I had planned. Sets were round 8-10. Failed every time. Had DOMS everywhere. Felt great to be back shifting some decent weight.

Went through 5 different ab exercises mid week and when I totaled up the number of reps it came to 250. Sneezing is just plain killing me at the moment. No washboard abs more like tumble dried. Soft and fluffy.

Weight went down to 81.15 but has slowly crept up this week to 81.65 today. I had been steadily losing it up till now.

Aggression went way up this week as well. My wick wasn't short, it just didn't exist. Dipshits were best advised to stay away. It pissed me off enough to go and grab a bottle of St Johns Wort from the mall. Need to chill out this weekend.

[bob26]

End of the first week back on.

400mg for the week plus Prov.

Strength went through the roof this week. Blew me away the amount I was able to shift. Took some of I'm Hungry's advice and mixed it in with what I had planned. Sets were round 8-10. Failed every time. Had DOMS everywhere. Felt great to be back shifting some decent weight.

Went through 5 different ab exercises mid week and when I totaled up the number of reps it came to 250. Sneezing is just plain killing me at the moment. No washboard abs more like tumble dried. Soft and fluffy.

Weight went down to 81.15 but has slowly crept up this week to 81.65 today. I had been steadily losing it up till now.

Aggression went way up this week as well. My wick wasn't short, it just didn't exist. Dipshits were best advised to stay away. It pissed me off enough to go and grab a bottle of St Johns Wort from the mall. Need to chill out this weekend.

Hey man looking really good, you can see a nice drop in body fat %, you have gone from still having little love handles to clearly seeing hip bones :wink:

Keep up the good work 8)

[Im Hungry]

your looking good oldfella

Your bodychemistry (read mood ) may benefit from a bit more good fat in each meal. Perhaps add in 1/2 Tbsp olive oil (can be light olive oil if you dont want as strong a taste) to each meal, except breakfast.

Be aggro in the gym when attacking the heavy sets but make sure you leave it in the gym- you've got to keep wifey happy if want to do more cycles. i find giving mine a massage once a week works well