My diet

[bob26]

happy birthday bob have a quarter piece of cake to celebrate :grin:

cheers man :wink:

might have a tuna cake wrapped in lettuce leaves :pfft:

[Elite121]

Happy B'day Big Fella !

Have a good one.

[steak]

62boByadhtribyppah :grin:

[bob26]

62boByadhtribyppah :grin:

maybe after 4 turbo's :shock:

[Peachy]

Happy Birthday !!!!

Sheesh with all these birthdays around here im guna be broke... plus im running outa gift ideas

[TonganTerror]

bahahahaha peachy is saying happy birthday princess Lauren :pfft:

Peachy if hes Lauren whats my nickname huh huh :pfft:

[Peachy]

^^ lol your just jealous coz I didn't take the time and effort to bake you a pretty cake with a barbie on top. :wink:

But seeing as you asked if he is the Barbie Princess your nickname can be Ken :grin:

[bob26]

Happy Birthday !!!!

Sheesh with all these birthdays around here im guna be broke... plus im running outa gift ideas

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

[morattigirl]

whats my nickname huh huh :pfft:

your nickname can be Ken :grin:

Does that mean i've got my very own Ken Doll :pfft:

[Chillicat]

Hey another birthday! It's party season around here!

Hope you had a brilliant day!

[bob26]

cheers everyone, and yes i have had a great day! Gym, Eating, Massage! Should do birthdays more often :pfft:

[Marven Yacoub]

When trying to lean out, avoiding eating carbs pre workout. And try to eat ur meals on a well balanced time frame, eg 7am,10am,1pm .

[Daz69]

The protein limited absorption theory is a load of shit. i got taught it a uni mate and what a crock. if you believe this theory then a 120kg male rugby player has the same protein absorption capacity as my 50 year old sedentary mother. That the type of stuff dietitians come out with- which is why they are useless for athletes.

Find out what your lean mass is, take into consideration the intensity and muscle tissue damage you are achieving in your training. You need x amount of protein to repair and replace and you need to add 5g -10g extra at each meal if you want to then have additional protein available for growth. Excess protein is not converted into fat in a non starving individual.

Your pre workout and post workout protein intakes are good. yes real food protein is better but there is a convenience factor to protein powder.

I would keep the carbs out in the meal before your morning power walk. Your body will choose to burn carbs ahead of fat.

[bob26]

When trying to lean out, avoiding eating carbs pre workout. And try to eat ur meals on a well balanced time frame, eg 7am,10am,1pm .

:shock: really?

i think we might be on to something here :roll:

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

[bob26]

In response to your "load of shit" comment, with regards my previous advice.

I was talking in general terms of a broad range protein intake per meal of between 20-30g for the average adult trying to increase muscle mass...

Upon his statement of taking doses of 40g + 60g respectively....

I considered it too high & still do... For an individual of his body shape & size....!!!

I dont believe for a moment a 120kg rugby player & a 50yr old sedentary mother of slight build would have the same protein needs or absorbtion capacity.... But there are limits, protein consumption/absorbtion/utilisation call it what you want.. is not limitless, as far as the amount your body can utilise for muscle building at any one time...

Your body finds it hard to break down protein, most of it goes undigested...IE: Wasted, I was speaking in this context....!!!

Can anyone else clarify this? All i know is what i am doing is working but i would hate to think that alot of the protein i am eating is just a waste. I haven't seen any protein in my urine. lol.

I don't think this is correct daz69 because if i were to cut my protein back to 20g per meal i would only get approxiamately 1400 calories a day unless i increased my carb or fat intake. A highly active female that weighs 55kg would need that many wouldn't they?

I am going to go and read those articles that Pman posted up to read, he seems to know alot about this subject.

[ThePman]

Protein isn't wasted. Whey on an empty stomach might not hang around in the system long but you can't get too much. It'll just sit in the GI tract and digest slowly.

But if that were a problem, you couldn't ever eat anything that slows down protein absorption. Like red meat.

[nate225]

Protein isn't wasted. Whey on an empty stomach might not hang around in the system long but you can't get too much. It'll just sit in the GI tract and digest slowly.

But if that were a problem, you couldn't ever eat anything that slows down protein absorption. Like red meat.

Good to see you talking sense as usual Matt! :nod:

The protein limited absorption theory is a load of shit. i got taught it a uni mate and what a crock. if you believe this theory then a 120kg male rugby player has the same protein absorption capacity as my 50 year old sedentary mother. That the type of stuff dietitians come out with- which is why they are useless for athletes.

Pretty generic statement showing your naiviety Dean - I would've expected more from you.

I recognise a generalist Clinical Dietitian isn't appropriate for specialised athletes, but a Sports focused Dietitian would run rings around most so-called nutritionists (particularly in their chosen fields). For you benefit its worth pointing out Dietitians do not tend to perpetuate myths as you suggest as above, as they are evidence based practitioners.

[Elite121]

For those that appreciate Alan Aragons work take a look:

http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutr ... ngle-meal/

[Im Hungry]

Hi Nate225

Pretty generic statement showing your naiviety Dean - I would've expected more from you.

I recognise a generalist Clinical Dietitian isn't appropriate for specialised athletes, but a Sports focused Dietitian would run rings around most so-called nutritionists (particularly in their chosen fields). For you benefit its worth pointing out Dietitians do not tend to perpetuate myths as you suggest as above, as they are evidence based practitioners.

I agree there are many useless nutritionists out there also. I wouldn't say i was being naive Nate The fact that dietitians are evidence based practitioners is their weakness.

Anecdotal evidence, quickly followed up with testing and measuring with individual athletes is where the advances are made. By the time it gets to a scientific based study it is a good year or two later. Creatine supplementation was a perfect example, another example was the protein content required for recovery in multisport athletes. The dietetic association did not acknowledge the increased protein requirements of them because they were endurance athletes and not traditional strength athletes. the reason i hear about these is i regularly get clients (inc athletes) coming to me who have been to dietitians and they bring their plans with them which are shockers.

the latest Ive heard is a dietitian who for some reason now calls herself a nutritionist now telling a seminar that they are wasting their money on protein powder because milk powder is just as effective. Are they not aware of the biological value of protein??

i think you mentioned elsewhere on a post to choose a professional who has experience in the chosen field and can back it up with evidence of client success- i aggree

[Elite121]

Hi Nate225

Pretty generic statement showing your naiviety Dean - I would've expected more from you.

I recognise a generalist Clinical Dietitian isn't appropriate for specialised athletes, but a Sports focused Dietitian would run rings around most so-called nutritionists (particularly in their chosen fields). For you benefit its worth pointing out Dietitians do not tend to perpetuate myths as you suggest as above, as they are evidence based practitioners.

I agree there are many useless nutritionists out there also. I wouldn't say i was being naive Nate The fact that dietitians are evidence based practitioners is their weakness.

Anecdotal evidence, quickly followed up with testing and measuring with individual athletes is where the advances are made. By the time it gets to a scientific based study it is a good year or two later. Creatine supplementation was a perfect example, another example was the protein content required for recovery in multisport athletes. The dietetic association did not acknowledge the increased protein requirements of them because they were endurance athletes and not traditional strength athletes. the reason i hear about these is i regularly get clients (inc athletes) coming to me who have been to dietitians and they bring their plans with them which are shockers.

the latest Ive heard is a dietitian who for some reason now calls herself a nutritionist now telling a seminar that they are wasting their money on protein powder because milk powder is just as effective. Are they not aware of the biological value of protein??

i think you mentioned elsewhere on a post to choose a professional who has experience in the chosen field and can back it up with evidence of client success- i aggree

You make some good points.

[Daz69]

Protein isn't wasted. Whey on an empty stomach might not hang around in the system long but you can't get too much. It'll just sit in the GI tract and digest slowly.

But if that were a problem, you couldn't ever eat anything that slows down protein absorption. Like red meat.

Are you saying then, if I bang 60g whey protein in 7 times a day, it will ALL get utilised....?????

:?

[ThePman]

Protein isn't wasted. Whey on an empty stomach might not hang around in the system long but you can't get too much. It'll just sit in the GI tract and digest slowly.

But if that were a problem, you couldn't ever eat anything that slows down protein absorption. Like red meat.

Are you saying then, if I bang 60g whey protein in 7 times a day, it will ALL get utilised for building muscle....?????

:?

It won't all be utilized for building muscle no matter how much you eat.

What's important is keeping a decent amount of amino acids circulating in your bloodstream throughout the day. That's what triggers the positive effects on protein synthesis. How that happens is fairly unimportant; lots of small meals or fewer big meals, the net outcome is all the same.

Amounts are what matter. Timing is secondary.

[Dubble_D]

Protein isn't wasted. Whey on an empty stomach might not hang around in the system long but you can't get too much. It'll just sit in the GI tract and digest slowly.

But if that were a problem, you couldn't ever eat anything that slows down protein absorption. Like red meat.

Are you saying then, if I bang 60g whey protein in 7 times a day, it will ALL get utilised for building muscle....?????

:?

Rather be safe than sorry!

[Daz69]

Protein isn't wasted. Whey on an empty stomach might not hang around in the system long but you can't get too much. It'll just sit in the GI tract and digest slowly.

But if that were a problem, you couldn't ever eat anything that slows down protein absorption. Like red meat.

Are you saying then, if I bang 60g whey protein in 7 times a day, it will ALL get utilised for building muscle....?????

:?

It won't all be utilized for building muscle no matter how much you eat.

What's important is keeping a decent amount of amino acids circulating in your bloodstream throughout the day. That's what triggers the positive effects on protein synthesis. How that happens is fairly unimportant; lots of small meals or fewer big meals, the net outcome is all the same.

Amounts are what matter. Timing is secondary.

Thank You...!!!!

So I was correct in my origional statement he is at 60g consuming too much protein for one meal... And that a lesser amount was needed for his particular circumstances.... IE: He wants to retain muscle, but fat loss is of primary importance....

And by consuming a smaller amount (this amount is in dispute) he only utilises that protein for muscle growth, & doesnt allow any excess be used as an extra energy source, on top of the carbs & fats he is already consuming..

:nod:

[ThePman]

No I don't think you understood at all. What matters is that you get enough protein for your needs on any given day, and preferably that you keep amino acid levels high. How much you get at any one meal is pretty much the least important thing to worry about.