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[Jigga]

On the other hand, you've got guys doing intermittent fasting diets that are getting extraordinarily lean while only eating a few meals in an 8-hour window each day - and fasting the rest of the time.

I assume you're referring to the likes of the Warrior Diet? I've read about it over on bb.com, but kinda laughed it off. It just seemed odd to gorge yourself for 4 hrs, and then fast for 20. Is there some basis for this though?

I don't have all the research right on hand, but there does appear to be something to short-term fasting - at least in the sense that it's not "OMG CATABOLIC!" as common wisdom holds.

There's been a lot of interest in the idea in the last few years, mainly because it's just a convenient way to eat. I've toyed with it myself in the last nine months and I really like it. I dropped around 8kg in two months at the end of last year with that approach.

I don't think there's magic to it or anything; it's just a smart and very easy way to control how much you eat. Follow a few other rules (like getting protein at each meal; sometimes I even get up to 100g at once!) and you're set.

If you're really interested in the research, check out leangains.com. I know Martin going back a few years back and he's got more research than you could ever want.

I read somewhere in an article by The "Muscle Nerd"

Jeff Anderson that by periodically putting your body in a calorie deficit it can actually increase your bodies production of anabolic hormones. He comes across as a complete douchebag IMO but he explains a few things quite clearly. Interested if you know anything about this...

Few links to some quick tips he has on nutrition, muscle fibre activation (increase activation by 373.87687690%) and supplements:

http://www.hardgainerprojectx.com/hardg ... ition.html

http://www.hardgainerprojectx.com/hardg ... kouts.html

http://www.hardgainerprojectx.com/hardg ... ments.html

Despite the fact he is constantly promoting his "hardgainerx" program there is a fair bit of free info he gives you in the process.

[ThePman]

Jeff Anderson that by periodically putting your body in a calorie deficit it can actually increase your bodies production of anabolic hormones. He comes across as a complete douchebag IMO but he explains a few things quite clearly. Interested if you know anything about this...

There's something to it yeah. Years and years ago Dan Duchaine was all about cyclical ketogenic diets, rotating between periods of deficit eating w/ a focus on high-pro/low-carb and periods of carb-focused over-eating over a 10 day cycle. Lyle McDonald's updated Ultimate Diet 2.0 does basically the same thing over a 7-day week, and of course you've got the old standby of carb-cycling which is just another iteration of the same thing.

The rationale is that fasting, and low-carb dieting which mimics many of the positive effects of fasting (reduced insulin, increased blood levels of FFAs, increased FFA oxidation, increased SNS output), does favorable things and improves insulin sensitivity across the board. You can nudge this process along with the right kinds of training, by depleting muscle glycogen.

When you do finally shift back to eating "normally", the increased IS tends to favor the depleted muscles instead of being stored as fat. Carbing up like that also sends a strong leptin signal, which creates the favorable anabolic response to over-feeding.

I don't think it's out of the question that intermittent fasting and various forms of carb-cycling diets are exploiting that process to at least some degree. Though admittedly they could just be easy to follow and mentally-satisfying ways of eating that wind up with eating less food, too. I don't guess it really matters so long as you get what you want out of it.

[Jigga]

Pman. You're the man.

[EMC]

pman im under the impression that you study/have studied at uni in the past from a previous dicussion? what sort of study have you done/are you doing?

[ThePman]

I read a lot.

[TonganTerror]

Im replacing some of the toast with rice and potatoes

Thanks cantygirl

Brown rice and kumara apo gods gift that kumara lol!!

[apo1]

yea kumara is good and lower in fat than potatoe.

Just wondering does anyone know how pro rugby players get such big upper traps?

[Jigga]

yea kumara is good and lower in fat than potatoe.

Just wondering does anyone know how pro rugby players get such big upper traps?

Same as everyone else does - shrugs, upright rows, db raises

In saying that though, most top rugby players are genetically gifted - that's part of the reason they excelled in the sport.

[Beef]

In saying that though, most top rugby players are genetically gifted - that's part of the reason they excelled in the sport.

so true. although it's as much about mental toughness and it is about physical toughness at the highest level

[runveerun]

yea kumara is good and lower in fat than potatoe.

traps?

Kumura and potatoes don't contain fat, I just googled it so it must be true! Eat both, both are good for you!

[rose]

yea kumara is good and lower in fat than potatoe.

Kumura and potatoes don't contain fat, I just googled it so it must be true! Eat both, both are good for you!

Excuse me Miss? :shock: It's a scientifically proven fact that potatoes and kumara will kill you :snooty: Don't be misleading the innuhnets or anything aye.

[TonganTerror]

right no more man killing kumara new diet...................TARO

[tinytraps]

Taro+corn beef+cocomut cream=PI steroids :grin:

[TonganTerror]

Taro+corn beef+cocomut cream=PI steroids :grin:

Lol today its the wild boar we stuck yesterday, in the pot boi yeah ha!!!

Maybe not very strict food but Something about eating what you kill makes a man feel like a man!!!!

[NZresident1]

[harlzy]

Lol today its the wild boar we stuck yesterday, in the pot boi yeah ha!!!

Maybe not very strict food but Something about eating what you kill makes a man feel like a man!!!!

rawr... right on