To all NZFBB people HELP

[lilfatty]

Pretty lame of me to be honest to cry over 200 bux because not to try sound cool but it's not that much money... But when I get promised somehting and don't get it.. I dono.. Get mad I guess lmao.

$200.00 is quite a lot of money .. id be annoyed too ... thats a bag of protein!

[startinfromscratch]

looch, moe must be withholding your 2 hundy due to lack of evidence of your expenses. you should send him your fuel,tan etc receipts, im sure hell jump to it.

after all, he has sole charge of the fed $$, and has all the fed info on his pc.

LOL

Pretty lame of me to be honest to cry over 200 bux because not to try sound cool but it's not that much money... But when I get promised somehting and don't get it.. I dono.. Get mad I guess lmao.

na bro, i wasnt belittling your issue at all! it is this sorta shit that shows complete disrespect to you, and gives you a bad memory to always be associated with competing in the moefbb.

All these issues brah, theyre ALL about lack of principle. Good on you for voicing it, such arrogance on moes part needs to be exposed.

imo :grin:

[Optimass]

Becks ... you must be a car salesman in real life I wouldn't think twice about being judged by MikeD. He has been around a long time - certainly qualified as an athlete and a promoter - I'd take any feedback from him as to where I would need to improve very seriously. I would say also that he and the other judges that were asked to re-qualify have all had some say/part in judging athletes like Jo Stewart whom went on to successfully compete internationally and significcantly lift the profile of the sport for NZ.

the doctor analegy doesn't fit - I'm sure cutting off someone festering arm is a very technical thing to do but the fundamentals probably haven't changed alot. The compulsery poses in NZFBB havent changed since I first picked up a Dbl. I would say .. like a doctor ... the more often you do something the better you get at it and then you probably specialise. Wouldn't you agree?

[trainharder]

becks i am calm you are winding people up with you naievity

how many threads have you read about what competitors were promised but will never see.

also we do have awesum judges if you compete you will see and if you think someone who does it for the love of the sport should have to go through this process.these judges have bee3n doing it for years and if you knew the way contests are judged you wil see the results are scrutinized to make sure all judges are fairly consistent.

good luck with your endeavours helping loochi and others get what they are promised.

very nice of you

im out of here i have a life

nice chatting to you becks

[bigmd]

Becks i totally agree what you say about up skilling, but when you need to do some up skilling do YOU in your profession also have to reapply for your job? i wasn't asked to attend an up skilling coarse... I was asked to re apply to become a judge again, then do the coarse.

And do you think my application would have been accepted considering I haven't even been officially told i no longer am the south island event organizer.

You have been saying in your posts that what we have been say are accusations, yet you have now accused me on a number of points, so is there any difference between my actions and yours at the moment?

you have no proof i believe that i don't think i need up skilling, yet i have proof i am no longer the Si event organizer, proof of the rule changes, pro cards for athletes, prof no financial records have been viewed by exec members in 6mths, proof that shows moe have been involved with start at least an hr late. i have not got into any heresy arguments i have stated the things that we have all seen.

For someone that has only meet moe once, you are doing an amazing amount of defending on his behalf, If it was me id just be asking more questions?

[bbgotback]

Hey Guys,

I know that this willnot be a very popular post, but i just want to have a say.

Becks Is right there is always more to the story, I beleive the federation should be run like a business and invoices should be required and I know most of the past committee and judges wanted that as well as they were aware of the "Fianacial Issues" the federation was running into because of the lack of business practice and accountability for expenses and such.

Also, I would like to take the opportunity to put forward another side or view point, I met Moe in 2004, and I have to say since than Moe has been a good friend of mine, he has suported me through out that time and been very kind to me and has asked nothing in return. So i have not seen the side of Moe that some of you are bagging. I have seen the man that is kind and generous and funny. He has a huge heart and cares about people. Yes he is busy and hard to get hold of, yes he may need to delegate more to people he trusts , that does"nt make him a bad or corrupt person.

I hope people will only post what they know to be true, not hear say.

I also hope all this can be sorted with minimal casualties

Lets remember, the nzfbb was not perfect before Moe and there was plenty of posts on here talking about corruption in those days too.

[holdenman]

Hey Guys,

I know that this willnot be a very popular post, but i just want to have a say.

Becks Is right there is always more to the story, I beleive the federation should be run like a business and invoices should be required and I know most of the past committee and judges wanted that as well as they were aware of the "Fianacial Issues" the federation was running into because of the lack of business practice and accountability for expenses and such.

Also, I would like to take the opportunity to put forward another side or view point, I met Moe in 2004, and I have to say since than Moe has been a good friend of mine, he has suported me through out that time and been very kind to me and has asked nothing in return. So i have not seen the side of Moe that some of you are bagging. I have seen the man that is kind and generous and funny. He has a huge heart and cares about people. Yes he is busy and hard to get hold of, yes he may need to delegate more to people he trusts , that does"nt make him a bad or corrupt person.

I hope people will only post what they know to be true, not hear say.

I also hope all this can be sorted with minimal casualties

Lets remember, the nzfbb was not perfect before Moe and there was plenty of posts on here talking about corruption in those days too.

Moe? lol

[Optimass]

I know that this willnot be a very popular post, but i just want to have a say.

I beleive the federation should be run like a business and invoices should be required and I know most of the past committee and judges wanted that as well

Welcome to the forum - thats not a very controversial post I have been saying that for years. Not just about the NZFBB - the executives on any public company/organisation have a responsibility to be transparent. If you pay a membership fee - your priveledges should include enough information to confirm that your fees are being used fairly and openly to benefit the membership as a whole. When you involve everyone there is less speculation and less chance of alienating your core membership.

[musclenz]

I know that this willnot be a very popular post, but i just want to have a say.

I beleive the federation should be run like a business and invoices should be required and I know most of the past committee and judges wanted that as well

Welcome to the forum - thats not a very controversial post I have been saying that for years. Not just about the NZFBB - the executives on any public company/organisation have a responsibility to be transparent. If you pay a membership fee - your priveledges should include enough information to confirm that your fees are being used fairly and openly to benefit the membership as a whole. When you involve everyone there is less speculation and less chance of alienating your core membership.

Any registered society / association has a legal responsibility to do this & provide annual accounts to the Companies Office who administers societies. Actually on checking I cannot find any registered society or company under NZFBB. Hmmmm!

[Gym rat]

Mike D would be my pick for the new president of the NZFBB to lead the NZFBB back to normal and away from the crap that the NZFBB is in these days.

[MasterTel]

Hi everyone - I'm back! Thank you very much for your words of support and your patience with what has been a difficult time within the NZFBB for a while now, and a very dramatic turn of events in the past few days.

It has been obvious to many people for a while now that the NZFBB was rapidly going backwards - particularly frustrating for me personally having seen incredible improvements in many things (particularly financially with a turnaround from being $55K in the red to over $40K in profit) since Feb 2005 when I joined the Executive.

A lot of what has come out in the past few days when I was suddenly caught up in all this drama has been quite shocking and eye-opening. Regardless of any past issues, I think Mark Stewart deserves a massive thank you for having the guts to do what he has done, in conjunction with Paul Graham and other senior IFBB officials. Mark has made it very clear he has no interest in being on the new Exec - he merely wants to oversee the set up of the election process and then to be available to judge at events.

Locally, many people like Mike Debenham have come forward with information that has been quite damning towards the NZFBB Executive. My role as Vice President had become pretty much ineffective due to my many requests for information and action from others on the Exec being ignored or refused.

I have been very proud of what I have given to the NZFBB over the past 5 years - as an Event Organiser, an Executive Member, helping out at many other shows but in particular being available to anyone who needed advice, information or assistance in regards to any NZFBB or bodybuilding-related matter. I was becoming increasingly frustrated by the fact that any form of communication from anyone to our Secretary, President and other Execs were almost always being ignored, so I had to bear the brunt of increasingly frustrated competitors & members wanting information and suppliers owed money for event services - and not getting a response.

My desire is to continue to be actively involved in the NZFBB and I am very grateful to have been given the opportunity to help overcome this turmoil and plan for the future. I will put my name forward for a return to the Exec (if elected) but at the very least I hope I am given the opportunity to continue as an Event Organiser.

Regarding the unpaid subsidies from last year's Nationals: No invoice was required from any competitor. Approx 20 competitors were chosen from a handful of events to receive a subsidy of $200 (or $250 from the South Island Champs) assuming they competed at Nationals. As had been done some years ago, a cheque for each competitor was supposed to be made available to be handed out at registration. Like many things at this event that were either very late or not done at all, no cheques were there. I managed to get some money to those on the list - either at the event (from registration income) or in the weeks following. At least twice I sent a full list of outstanding payments to the President with a reminder for these to be paid asap. Many have still to be paid - I can promise every one of those people that they will receive their money, depending on when we can get access to the bank account and the cheque books.

Finally, assuming I am given the opportunity to have a say on the new Executive - I give my pledge to continue doing my utmost where it matters ... for the organisation and our members. It was particularly disturbing for me to see the unrest caused by unneccessary event date/location changes last year and ill-timed and poorly planned/motivated rule changes. My firm recommendation will be for as little distruption as possible to the existing event calendar, for much more transparency and accountability, and a great deal more communication (rules, expectations of competitors etc) with any rule change made in a timely, consistent and fair manner.

I encourage any of you who are members to attend the meeting next Friday (April 9th) - now is very much your time to make yourself heard!

[jimjim83]

Mike D would be my pick for the new president of the NZFBB to lead the NZFBB back to normal and away from the crap that the NZFBB is in these days.

Why is that? What do you think Mike could bring to the table?

[Ann]

Welcome back Terry, its good to see you here again.

[Optimass]

Any registered society / association has a legal responsibility to do this & provide annual accounts to the Companies Office who administers societies. Actually on checking I cannot find any registered society or company under NZFBB. Hmmmm!

NZFBB Incorp cert.pdfBC10056479308.pdf

no financial statement for 2009 .....

An incorporated society is a group of at least 15 people who have applied for registration as an incorporated society under the Incorporated Societies Act 1908. A wide range of groups and organisations apply for incorporation, including sports clubs, music and cultural groups and special interest organisations.

Once registered the incorporated society becomes a separate legal entity distinct from its members. This means that the members are not personally liable for the society’s debts, contracts or other obligations. Likewise, members do not have any personal interest in any property or assets owned by the society.

An incorporated society will continue in existence as long as it files certain documents with the Registrar of Incorporated Societies, or until its members, or a creditor, decide to bring the society to an end.

[AllenNZ]

It,s good to have you back on board Terry :nod: :nod:

[musclenz]

Nice to see you back on the board Terry. I wish you all the best in rectifying your present dilemma. As a representative for NABBA/WFF, I would welcome the chance to discuss with you how we can best work together as Bodybuilding Federations in New Zealand for the better of Bodybuilding & Fitness Competitors.

[BANNER]

Loochi have you invoiced the appropriate people for this money that is owed to you?

becks get your facts straight some competitors were promised either 200 or 250 on the day of the nationals upon registration depending on what city you were from that was 6 months ago

no invoice necesary

stop trying to defend someone for something you know nothing about

Becks it would be better for you to just do more listening than talking about shit you have no idea about ok? Im here to make an informed decision about what I know as FACT and what everyone here has added. Please dont persist in making an argument about info you obviously have no idea or passion about. Two side s of the story?where the phuk have you been since Moe was and before elected? He promise you something in your one visit did he? Jeez [MOD EDIT: Please avoid making inflammatory comments.]

[becks]

Calm down Banner Easter Bunny comes in a few days. We will see Banner time will tell.

[soundsgood]

Regarding the unpaid subsidies from last year's Nationals: No invoice was required from any competitor. - I can promise every one of those people that they will receive their money

YUSS!

Stoked

:grin:

[startinfromscratch]

Regarding the unpaid subsidies from last year's Nationals: No invoice was required from any competitor. - I can promise every one of those people that they will receive their money

YUSS!

Stoked

:grin:

just remember the words of B.I.G brah!

moe money moe problems

[Loochi]

Lmfao SFS.. Wrong time to be making jokes bro but I gotta admit, I lol'd hard.

[bbgotback]

Regarding the unpaid subsidies from last year's Nationals: No invoice was required from any competitor. - I can promise every one of those people that they will receive their money

YUSS!

Stoked

:grin:

just remember the words of B.I.G brah!

moe money moe problems

Did anyone actually read Terry's post where it said the Federation was now 40k in the black???? Are we ignoring the positives of having Moe in charge ? Would we prefer to have a Pres that was using federation funds to support his and his families life style and have no money left to send competitors to competitions overseas?

Apart from shows starting late, and lack of advertising for some shows, and general hearsay attacking Moe's character? if Moe has done these things, what is the other side of the story? Im genuinely interested to know.....I find it helps to know the whole story before lynching someone. I think alot of people have just jumped on the bandwagon so as to align themselves with people they want to impress. If you have no personal experience with Moe, if you are just repeating what you have heard 3rd, 4th, 20th person, it might pay to get your facts straight instead of playing along with chinese whispers so you can feel a part of something.The same for Mark....personal experience, factual information? or just gossip?

Glass houses people...be careful. If you have personal experience good bad or otherwise with either side of this debate fine, no one is perfect and you have every right to an opinion, otherwise dont be a hater for the sake of it......its just ugly

[startinfromscratch]

alot of 'newbs' posting on this topic. ip checks ftw!

[bbgotback]

alot of 'newbs' posting on this topic. ip checks ftw!

I may be a newbie On this forum but I have been in the industry since 1989 and competing since 2000 as well as having been on the committee, I know what im talking about and have alot of personal experience, so fear not the newbs.....

[startinfromscratch]

alot of 'newbs' posting on this topic. ip checks ftw!

I may be a newbie On this forum but I have been in the industry since 1989 and competing since 2000 as well as having been on the committee, I know what im talking about and have alot of personal experience, so fear not the newbs.....

fair enough, but riddle me this:

what good is it with the fed being in the black, with all these competitors and others not been paid?

and also, riddle me this:

when the fed is in such bad shape that the prez has to be removed for the sake of the fed, isnt promoting 'the good hes done' a bit of a moot point?