Full Squats

[Jigga]

lol

[rose]

Deep Squats = Big Ass!

Which is why I don't do deep squats right now. The sad fact is that my arse grows twice as fast as my quads do, and it doesn't need any extra encouragement.

You're mad. Your arse will stop growing, and besides, perception re size is all in your mind IMO. People who think they have a big arse, in general, don't. And they'd look a lot better if they paid it some mind. Small arses are very unattractive, on men too.

Big arse = horsepower. Learn to love thy arse. Amen :pray:

[nate225]

Deep Squats = Big Ass!

Which is why I don't do deep squats right now. The sad fact is that my arse grows twice as fast as my quads do, and it doesn't need any extra encouragement.

You're mad. Your arse will stop growing, and besides, perception re size is all in your mind IMO. People who think they have a big arse, in general, don't. And they'd look a lot better if they paid it some mind. Small arses are very unattractive, on men too.

Big arse = horsepower. Learn to love thy arse. Amen :pray:

I must agree re: big ass = strength. Attend any PLing / SM event if anyone's in doubt on this one.

However I'm not so sure about your earlier comment:

Your arse will stop growing, and besides, perception re size is all in your mind IMO. People who think they have a big arse, in general, don't.

Most PLers / SM just keep on growing! And with a "squatting ass" if you think it's big it probably is (mine @ 105kg / 15% bf was bigger than a 130kg NPC prop's and in fact the entire training squad! And young Nickoli's, well it was probably off the scale even when he was less than 10% bf). That said I've never seen a bodybuilder shredded on stage who had an ass that looked too big on stage.

IMHO it probably will keep growing with squats Pseudo, but I don't think it'll hinder you, in fact you'll get stronger & bigger legs along the way. Oh yeah, and apparently chicks dig big asses, as long as they don't wobble! :pfft:

[rose]

However I'm not so sure about your earlier comment

I read something on the innuhnet so it must be true. It said your arse will only grow to a certain point then it will stop growing and other bits will start expanding instead :roll: :pfft:

f*ck I'd kill for a mega strong arse. Buns of steel FTW. Underdeveloped and lazy glutes are sooo prevalent, and wrong :naughty:

[ohjoshua]

:pfft: and out come the egos.

Full squats are for men end of story. Only ppl who argue otherwise are those who can't do them or don't want to do them as they would have to use bitch weights.

I preform full squats...

and I argue otherwise...

Just because they are good for me doesnt mean they are good for everyone.

you have no idea what you are talking about. A full squat is better than a half squat. If you cant do full squats go do a spin class.

I have no idea what im talking about?

lol

The only logical reason you have given for preforming a full squat is not to look like a pussy. If you are that insecure that will do something just not to look like a pussy i feel sorry for you.

[mr natural]

anyone can do a full squat in five mins, if you can take a shit on the bog you can do a full squat! just takes the right teaching

[Bobsta]

I think Rose got a point there, my ass grew heaps when I 1st started doing squats but then slowly everything else caught up and in proportion with each other. Also at even low body fat levels in most people the bum fat is the last bit to come off so it would make it apeare bigger until absolutly shreded as Nate mentioned.

But yeah do deep squats you pussies :pfft:

[jimjim83]

:pfft: and out come the egos.

I preform full squats...

and I argue otherwise...

Just because they are good for me doesnt mean they are good for everyone.

you have no idea what you are talking about. A full squat is better than a half squat. If you cant do full squats go do a spin class.

I have no idea what im talking about?

lol

The only logical reason you have given for preforming a full squat is not to look like a pussy. If you are that insecure that will do something just not to look like a pussy i feel sorry for you.

What benifits are there to a half squat compared with a full squat? This will be interesting....

Lets be honest the only people who do half squats are the people who are not strong enough to go all the way down and then all the way.

When was the last time you saw a big dude doing half squats? never its always the little boys who who do them.

Like Ronnie said, Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder but nobody wants to lift the heavy ass weights.

[nate225]

I think Rose got a point there, my ass grew heaps when I 1st started doing squats but then slowly everything else caught up and in proportion with each other. Also at even low body fat levels in most people the bum fat is the last bit to come off so it would make it apeare bigger until absolutly shreded as Nate mentioned.

But yeah do deep squats you pussies :pfft:

Maybe the mid ground is where the truth lies? It makes sense that the glutes would grow fast initially (when you're a no ass surf board thin physique!) then slow down to some extent. Thats kinda the pattern with most things (ie arms grow 3" in 18 months then take another 5 years to do the same, if you're lucky!).

One of the things to qualify here is what is meant by a full squat?

In PLing that definition varies by federation, but most accept a full squat as being a competition depth squat where top of thigh by hip is lower than patella.

An Olympic Lifter on the other hand would consider a full squat ass to grass (as low as the body allows with hams on calves) as is done when snatching.

The debate from a PLers POV would be how effective is doing an ass to grass squat going to be versus training for a competition depth. Motor patterns etc.

From a BBing perspective there's a number of arguments, however IMHO if you can, without hurting yourself, squat to just below parallel or deeper you should do so.

If you can't (thru flexibility etc), I suggest sorting this (as it could lead to other issues/injuries outside of squats) and aim to be able to.

Heavy partial squats from time to time are no issue, and are in fact of benefit to many. However IMHO high squats should not form the basis of anyone's programme (unless there is an unresolvable medical issue, and then there are probably better options).

[ohjoshua]

I never thought you would ask.

We had a whole thread on it quite some time ago.

Too lazy to type it all again,will try and find a link.

if any one esle could would be handy

[nate225]

What benifits are there to a half squat compared with a full squat? This will be interesting....

I can think of a few:

* Getting the feel for bigger weights when building up to a big squat

* More carryover to certain sporting movements, i.e. starting position for a truck pull (or maybe scrummaging)

* Hitting a weak point in the squat as part of a programme

But again on a relatively infrequent basis c/f 'deep' squats.

[jimjim83]

What benifits are there to a half squat compared with a full squat? This will be interesting....

I can think of a few:

* Getting the feel for bigger weights when building up to a big squat

* More carryover to certain sporting movements, i.e. starting position for a truck pull (or maybe scrummaging)

* Hitting a weak point in the squat as part of a programme

But again on a relatively infrequent basis c/f 'deep' squats.

Im sure thats the case nate for powerlifting etc, but im thinking of the chicken legs you see at the gym who have a plate and a half a side and are doing half squats for 12 reps on their working set. the truth is they are too week to do the full range of motion.

[groovy]

Hi Guys. I personally do full ROM squat (light weights now, but hopefully not for long).

Lot of them on here are mentioning the "Flexibility issues".

Could someone please explain what are some of these Flexibility issues?

Any links to read up on these issues or exercises to improve the flexibility?

Thanks heaps.

[ohjoshua]

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[geneticgod]

in terms of full squats, i hirt my knee doing squats partial range reps and then got into powerlifting training and never had my knee looked at by a professional, but since starting doing full range squats, given that i started from scratch doing like 40kgs for full range i have never to date had knee problems again.

i dont stretch anything except my hip flexors and i have no problem going below parallel. Full squats are amazing, its great feeling the whole lower limb working.

Just my opinion tho.

[ThePman]

Hi Guys. I personally do full ROM squat (light weights now, but hopefully not for long).

Lot of them on here are mentioning the "Flexibility issues".

Could someone please explain what are some of these Flexibility issues?

Any links to read up on these issues or exercises to improve the flexibility?

Thanks heaps.

For most people, it's going to come down to immobile ankles and a variety of issues at the hip - ranging from weakness of the hip rotators (glute medius & piriformis mainly, but all those little jokers in there) and tightness of the hip flexors and adductors. Poor tissue quality can be an issue in some people as well, which contributes to stiffness and tightness.

In most cases, unless you're dealing with a real injury, you can do a handful of stretches and foam-rolling exercises to loosen people up; it's generally a "use it or lose it" thing, and most folks don't use it.

[Nik Antunovich]

So, I'm at the gym today and it's busy. Everyone is using the power cage and performing 'squats'. I know heaps of rugby guys train there so they could have been training for srummaging. Anyhow, only 4 out of 10 people I watched squat squatted deep; one was me. One other guy who was going deep stopped just shy of parallel so count him out on a full squat. 2 other guys where going to parallel but had a table to sit on when at parallel. I understand why it is there but they were taking a break on it, although short, when pushing heavier weights. Not blowing my own horn but I have to say out of everyone I saw I was the only person doing deep squats.

What's up with this? Do people just not want to put in the effort? Is it flexibility? Or, do they just want to push heavier weights so they look 'mean'?

One thing is for sure, being a heavy day for me I pushed hard and know that I will have quad DOMS tomorrow; thinking my entire legs will be screwed as I went nuts today. I'm not worried about glute size; I just want grunt.

[ThePman]

What's up with this? Do people just not want to put in the effort? Is it flexibility? Or, do they just want to push heavier weights so they look 'mean'?

Take all those things, and then combine them with not knowing any better, and a personal training industry that largely teaches people to do that.

[EMC]

Anyhow, only 4 out of 10 people I watched squat squatted deep; one was me. One other guy who was going deep stopped just shy of parallel so count him out on a full squat. 2 other guys where going to parallel but had a table to sit on when at parallel.

none of these are deep as described. how would you count a squat thats shy of parallel as a full squat when a full squat is far deeper than a parallel squat?

What's up with this? Do people just not want to put in the effort? Is it flexibility? Or, do they just want to push heavier weights so they look 'mean'?

pretty simple actually, theyre vulnerable at the bottom. theyve never trained the squat to parallel or below. when theyre squatting big numbers its very dangerous to even contemplate the idea of going deep. in a sense theyre smart enough to be instinctive, however naive enough not to have squatted properly from the begining.

[D-Rock]

I generally only squat to just below parallel, but that is only because of dodgy knees from far too many sports related injuries. If I could go lower I would. My knees have a tendency to go through phases of fine, niggly, sore, semi unstable, and damn near useless. On a "good knee day" I probably could drop my weights and go lower, but even on those days I am cautious (maybe paranoid). So on those days I tend to add in some sumo / goblet squats and go lower as my knees are more stable in that kind of body positioning. And if the need arises it is easy to bail out of. Years of having untrustworthy knees make me limit what I do, but that is also possibly a mix of physical and psychological barriers.

[jono]

i have always squatted as deep as possible. - why limit ROM.

do ya'll only do half reps on the legpress, hacksquat etc as well ?

[startinfromscratch]

this thread will just go around in circles.

"most ppl dont have the flexibility to do full depth safely" VERY TRUE

the million dollar question is, what do i do if i fall into this category? there are 2 ways to swing it. the first, most common 'solution' is to squat parralel, as this avoids the effort of option 2.

option 2 is working regularly on flexibility/stretching, so that you can squat deeper without losing form. its a pity that option 2 usually falls into the too hard basket.

plus, most average gymgoers simply dont care about there squats. real talk.

[Gasp]

Without directly linking this topic I think one thing thats hitting home in several forums over the last couple of years is that there is a clear split between;

1) those who get out there and train with the required enormous discipline and intensity required to obtain the results they want to achieve and,

2) Those who want to obtain these results but only by finding short-cuts, magic supplements and variations to point (1).

Sadly the priority list still remains as 1) intense training, 2) diet 3) rest, and then supplements comes a long and lonely last.

By its very title Bodybuilding is a sport which can only be achieved by huge intensity and running your life/body as if it were a business.

I think some folk out there want "a body" but want to achieve it with pilates and a can of protein.

I sometimes wonder if it is a "young person" problem.

These days most things are "instant" for young people in areas of communication and such like and they are not used to waiting around long for anything.

Sadly Bodybuilding cannot be thrown into that category.

[rose]

Quick fix syndrome without the hard yards? Gen Y all over innit? Vee will know, she's been studying them.

It's not politically correct to teach hard work anymore is it?

[jono]

Quick fix syndrome without the hard yards? Gen Y all over innit? Vee will know, she's been studying them.

It's not politically correct to teach hard work anymore is it?

dont get us started on the ultra pc bs that is turning society into a pack of medicated slobs now