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Nitric Oxide/pre-workout supplements

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Was talking about pre-workout products with PT at gym this morning and he said something about winning a years supply of Superpump250 on here \:D/ . Where the heck should I be looking?

That topic was removed since it breached our no-spam policy. As you would well know, Musclearmor, because I PMed your "Rich Gaspari" alias and told you so. :evil:

It seems Musclearmor and Rich Gaspari share the same IP address. The "Rich Gaspari" account has now been banned for spamming and having multiple usernames. If you want to advertise on this site through legitimate channels, please contact me for more information.

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wheres the cheapest place for sp250 or NO explode? (prefer sp250 from wat ive read)

bb.com the usa site is cheap yea but the whole credit card shit i so cbf with tbh

any ideas plz

im in auckland

dont mind anywere as long as it is in nz

cheers

Unless things have changed recently, it can't be purchased in NZ, as it contains a prescription med (Vincamine). They were meant to reformulate it a while ago but I don't believe this has been done. If you're in oz at any point though they still sell it over there...

But be a bit careful with importing NO-Xplode mate, if customs check it you will have it stripped from your shipment (I had a couple of tubs stripped a couple of years ago)

I reckon SP250 is your best bet. I've tried both and recommend SP over NO-Xplode anyway (that's my personal opinion)

I actually rate Black Powder over both of them, but again, that's my humble opinion :)

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What falv BP is best? Going to get mum to bring back 3lb from the states with her.

Hard to say, I've had orange and blue raspberry and they're both surprisingly nice. I'd probably give orange the edge.

I think there's a tropical flavour too which I haven't tried, but Hawley from Ice has that... was meant to trade a few packs with him but never got around to it.

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why not just musashi L-arginine, it;s cheap and effetive.

pre-workout - heaps of caffeine, actually 3 x 200mg caps should suffice

Can't see the benefit in spending heaps on Nos and pre-workout supps.

whats the benefit I ask?

Why not just have adequate carbs and a hit of caffeine before training

they are basically creatine, l-argine and caffeine.

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why not just musashi L-arginine, it;s cheap and effetive.

pre-workout - heaps of caffeine, actually 3 x 200mg caps should suffice

Can't see the benefit in spending heaps on Nos and pre-workout supps.

whats the benefit I ask?

Why not just have adequate carbs and a hit of caffeine before training

they are basically creatine, l-argine and caffeine.

:nod: Yep, this is what I'm going for next. Early next year I'm looking at doing an order from purebulk.com and stocking up on this sort of stuff.

Saves paying for the packaging and other "miscellaneous ingredients" from the brand companies :shrug:

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why not just musashi L-arginine, it;s cheap and effetive.

Most pretraining formulas have a lot more in them than just Arginine, caffeine and carbs.

There's some pretty major negatives to using high doses of arginine by itself. If you are panning on using it to boost Nitric Oxide levels you need to use it with anti-oxidants/ free radical scavengers to prevent free radical damage. Increased nitric oxide levels can damage cells and DNA. Most Nitric Oxide formulas tend to have a reasonable dose of various anti-oxidants - NAC, Vitamin C, E, Alpha Lipioc Acid etc.

Musashi uses pure L-arginine as opposed to the more expensive and more effective Arginine Alpha Ketoglutarate (AAKG). At an rrp of $44 for 75g it's a bit of a rip off. I've seen 5x that much for sale for less than $70. In fact most decent AAKG's work out cheaper than the Musashi stuff.

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So Flex, what do you recommend is a good cheap pre-workout supplement? I workout early mornings, so i just have couples spoons black coffee and its ok i guess. But is caffeine pills better? Or which is a good quick carb source for some energy?

All these superpump and other stuff are very expensive. And you only get a months supply. :doh: :doh: :doh:

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Yeah unfortunately if you've got HSV it's best not to use arginine as it tends to feed it causing HSV outbreaks. You can use Lysine to help alleviate the HSV but then I think it negates the use of arginine for NO so best just to steer clear of it.

Could be worse though - could be FPV.....

......(I know, terrible joke).

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So Flex, what do you recommend is a good cheap pre-workout supplement? I workout early mornings, so i just have couples spoons black coffee and its ok i guess. But is caffeine pills better? Or which is a good quick carb source for some energy?

All these superpump and other stuff are very expensive. And you only get a months supply. :doh: :doh: :doh:

Most people probably need stimulant based pretraining formulas. As they say on the pack - "once you try it you'll never train with out it" or some such. That's because of all the stims that you become to rely on to get you through each session.

You ideally don't want to get into the habit of using caffeine or stims for every training session. I like my coffee and am a stim fiend so I like using stim based products, however I prefer the low caffeine or non caffeine based products as there seems to be less adaptation and less withdrawal when you stop using them. I've had some horrible experiences with withdrawal from high doses of caffeine so tend to try and keep caffeine use as low as I can.

Personally I think Pretraining formula's are way overused and there are much better products on the market that, depending on your training and your goals, should be used before considering a pretraining formula. For strength and muscle gains I'd always go for a few cycles of creatine mono first, or at least load on creatine mono and then use creatine mono (or another creatine based product) in conjunction with a pretrainer.

Stim based products are ideal for use short term for breaking through sticking points, using them during a mass/strength phase, or on a low carb diet if you're not using thermo's, or even for using for early morning training if you need some energy at 5am as long as you don't become to reliant on it.

Used before night training after a hard day at work is probably shooting yourself in the foot as then you're sleep quality is going to be compromised that evening leading to a catch 22.

Stim based pretraining formulas should NOT be used to make up for not sleeping enough, or not eating right. If you lack energy for training because you only sleep 5 hours a day, or don't allow the body to recover fully between training sessions, or eat shit sugar filled carbs all day, or eat nothing at all, then you'd be better off sorting your diet and sleep patterns out than using stims to fix it.

For strength training a good dose of complex carbs prior to training should be good enough (maybe a little simple sugars to give you a bit of a boost and get you into it), and maybe some BCAA's, coupled with the use of a decent creatine supp pre or post workout and you should be good to go.

Caffeine tabs shouldn't be any more or less effective than a cup of coffee however you can vary your serving size more easily with tabs than you can with a cup of coffee that will contain an unknown amount of mg caffeine. A shot of espresso sure tastes a lot better than a caffeine tab though, so use what ever floats your boat there.

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On a side note an espresso coffee contains about 100mg of caffiene and an instant coffee has about 80mg. :shock:

It's really an unknown quantity. Typically one shot of Espresso coffee has the lowest caffeine content of coffee (supposedly around 60mg per shot) however it depends on the roast of the bean/type of bean used, the extraction duration and tamping etc as to its exact amount. You would need to talk to a good barista to find out for sure but espresso's are generally considered the lowest.

An instant coffee could have 500mg is you use a tablespoon instead of a teaspoon. There's absolutely no way of knowing how much caffeine you are getting from your daily coffee.

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On a side note an espresso coffee contains about 100mg of caffiene and an instant coffee has about 80mg. :shock:

It's really an unknown quantity. Typically one shot of Espresso coffee has the lowest caffeine content of coffee (supposedly around 60mg per shot) however it depends on the roast of the bean/type of bean used, the extraction duration and tamping etc as to its exact amount. You would need to talk to a good barista to find out for sure but espresso's are generally considered the lowest.

An instant coffee could have 500mg is you use a tablespoon instead of a teaspoon. There's absolutely no way of knowing how much caffeine you are getting from your daily coffee.

This is true, there is no way to tell how much caffeine you are getting without testing it. The figures I gave were just ballpark figures.

Usually people dont use a whole tablespoon of instant coffee but what ever spins your wheels I guess.

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