thatfeltlighterthanlastweek

[Luigi]

i know doc squat from eastside advocates going heavy with seated laterals on the theory that doing your lighter sets with strict form then going heavier with average form is more beneficial than just going light on every set.

Id like to hear some theory behind that as going heavy just brings your traps into play as opposed to just working those smaller delts only... for mine you get enough heavy delt work from your heavy upright rows and seated press, military press etc

its in here (nzbb) somewhere have a search

[Dr Squat]

i know doc squat from eastside advocates going heavy with seated laterals on the theory that doing your lighter sets with strict form then going heavier with average form is more beneficial than just going light on every set.

Id like to hear some theory behind that as going heavy just brings your traps into play as opposed to just working those smaller delts only... for mine you get enough heavy delt work from your heavy upright rows and seated press, military press etc

TT, mine is just my view bro. No science here but I think it's all about the volume and the variety. I like to do them seated and hit 10 sets. 2x10, 2x8, 2x6, 2x8 and 2x10-15. For me this is the best of both worlds. I can hit them with some heavy weights in the middle sets and then back off and focus on feel and form. I think the heavy weight mixes it up. Mentally, 10 set of 10 is tough so variety is a benefit. The other thing I have been doing is using straps on the heavy sets. This allows you to handle more weight.

You point is a valid one mate. I just feel my side delts have improved with this approach. I think we all do too much pressing and hit the front delts too much. Remember that get hammered on chest day, shoulder day and even on tricep day (CGBP). No science again but I think my improved bench has partially to do with my improved balance in my shoulders- especially side and rear.

Smarter people than me will have a view here. A good debate regardless.

[TonganTerror]

i know doc squat from eastside advocates going heavy with seated laterals on the theory that doing your lighter sets with strict form then going heavier with average form is more beneficial than just going light on every set.

Id like to hear some theory behind that as going heavy just brings your traps into play as opposed to just working those smaller delts only... for mine you get enough heavy delt work from your heavy upright rows and seated press, military press etc

TT, mine is just my view bro. No science here but I think it's all about the volume and the variety. I like to do them seated and hit 10 sets. 2x10, 2x8, 2x6, 2x8 and 2x10-15. For me this is the best of both worlds. I can hit them with some heavy weights in the middle sets and then back off and focus on feel and form. I think the heavy weight mixes it up. Mentally, 10 set of 10 is tough so variety is a benefit. The other thing I have been doing is using straps on the heavy sets. This allows you to handle more weight.

You point is a valid one mate. I just feel my side delts have improved with this approach. I think we all do too much pressing and hit the front delts too much. Remember that get hammered on chest day, shoulder day and even on tricep day (CGBP). No science again but I think my improved bench has partially to do with my improved balance in my shoulders- especially side and rear.

Smarter people than me will have a view here. A good debate regardless.

interesting Dr Squat I like the part about ten sets being mentally tough this is one of the things I think help us so much better and stronger by pushing those boundaries I also like the strapping up idea as I certainly struggle at the end of some lateral raise movements especially rear delt d/b raises.Will give this or similar a go :nod: im presuming the 2 sets of 8 and 6 are a weight set to failure or close to it?

[tomsammce]

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For me heavy cheating sets, mixed with light sets with strict form are good for delts. i would agree wit doc squat on this, in other words my opinion is same as his.

[Dr Squat]

interesting Dr Squat I like the part about ten sets being mentally tough this is one of the things I think help us so much better and stronger by pushing those boundaries I also like the strapping up idea as I certainly struggle at the end of some lateral raise movements especially rear delt d/b raises.Will give this or similar a go :nod: im presuming the 2 sets of 8 and 6 are a weight set to failure or close to it?

Treat the first two as a warm up (2x10) and then hit the next 4 sets until failure (2x8, 2x6) with a heavy weight. Then back off a bit for the last 4 sets (2x8 and say 2x10-15) and try to isolate the side delt.

I find seated best here mainly as my back starts to hurt towards the end of a set.

Let me know how it goes.

[thatwaslight]

On the topic of going to failure; how often during your sets do most of you aim for failure?

[Dr Squat]

On the topic of going to failure; how often during your sets do most of you aim for failure?

I go to failure on most working sets. I generally don't do forced reps.

[thatwaslight]

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[AgentOrange]

had 3 liters of milk today and this made my workout fucking terrible felt sick the whole way through so an average workout.

this made me laugh...

diet going well

then this made me laugh abit more.

You must be keeping Fonterra in business bro :pfft:

kutgw

[thatwaslight]

lol if your feeling sick you must be doing it right, right?

[TonganTerror]

hope that lat sorts itself out bro and milk pre training farrrkkkk that lol

solid smith 140kg yeeyaa!!

[loveggs]

happy bday , hope the weights feel lighter than last week hahah