nicksmith3 - 10 week CUT.. Wait wut?

[nicksmith3]

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[nicksmith3]

it seems like your cutting a bit fast...going from a bulking diet with excess cals to two cardios in one day, hitt...reduced calories and very little whole foods.

Thanks for you interest NZPT, but what i did not mention was my diet for the last TWO WEEKS. Which was not required in this log, hence it being a cut log. The calories were bought down daily from my previous BULKING/FAT GAIN diet. Ie, Week two out was run just above maintenance with one cardio session, and week one out was run at maintenance.

I would also like to note, the hot rox have a large effect on reducing hormone cortisol levels. Which in turn sparing muscle and halting alot of catabolism that would usually be occuring right about now. - When you just come out of BULK.

I appreciate the concern brah. But i haven't gone head-first into a diet, I just haven't noted the last few weeks coming into the cut.

Cheers! :grin:

[Android]

I wasn't sure whether to post something like that myself NZPT.

On the one hand he's doing it for modeling he's not doing a bodybuilding show that I am aware of. Models need to look bony with muscle definition. A bodybuilder knows it's all about size in the right places so he wouldn't do a calorie restrictive diet unless he was too big for a weight class and even then the results are usually awful.

I've prepared for a show this way though Nicksmith3.

My first show I started at 99kg and 17% bf...dieted down on low carbs plus cardio to 84kg (1st pic)

But one year later following advice from bodybuilders and still 99kg but 15% bf, I cut down to 91kg on stage (2nd pic)...difference is immense imo.

First pic I look hungry and stunned, 2nd one I'm happy and full. (Yeah I know I don't have your good looks to be a model!)

But keep at mate,

I'm interested to see what your overall body looks like at the end of this it saves us all having to do it to find out. If you change it up at all though because results are better or worse it will make it hard for someone to know if it is the right way for them. Once you make a change it becomes a personal routine only suitable for Nicksmith3 to follow, which is why although many of us do cutting for comps our own way of doing isn't always suitable for someone else.

I would say 2 things:

- You're not doing Musashi justice using Hotrox as your primary fat burner to get results imo...unless you are attributing the type of whey which only they supply to the fat loss

- And stop saying 'brah' it's annoying, hearing Dog the bounty Hunter say it is cool, hearing you say it is....well its the opposite brah 8) (see it doesn't even sound cool coming from me!)

Have a good weekend, burn those abs through!

[NZPT]

Ok thats great to here you did do a tapper phase as that did concern me...but still a few factors to consider, but hey as android pointed out your doing modeling which is far from my area of expertise haha so ill take your word on how this works out for you!

ANDRIOD wow what a difference mate (or brah haha)...you look like a novice in the first pic and an elite in the second im very impressed. Intrested to here what you did differently the second time around??

[nicksmith3]

I wasn't sure whether to post something like that myself NZPT.

On the one hand he's doing it for modeling he's not doing a bodybuilding show that I am aware of. Models need to look bony with muscle definition. A bodybuilder knows it's all about size in the right places so he wouldn't do a calorie restrictive diet unless he was too big for a weight class and even then the results are usually awful.

I've prepared for a show this way though Nicksmith3.

My first show I started at 99kg and 17% bf...dieted down on low carbs plus cardio to 84kg (1st pic)

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But one year later following advice from bodybuilders and still 99kg but 15% bf, I cut down to 91kg on stage (2nd pic)...difference is immense imo.

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First pic I look hungry and stunned, 2nd one I'm happy and full. (Yeah I know I don't have your good looks to be a model!)

But keep at mate,

I'm interested to see what your overall body looks like at the end of this it saves us all having to do it to find out. If you change it up at all though because results are better or worse it will make it hard for someone to know if it is the right way for them. Once you make a change it becomes a personal routine only suitable for Nicksmith3 to follow, which is why although many of us do cutting for comps our own way of doing isn't always suitable for someone else.

I would say 2 things:

- You're not doing Musashi justice using Hotrox as your primary fat burner to get results imo...unless you are attributing the type of whey which only they supply to the fat loss

- And stop saying 'brah' it's annoying, hearing Dog the bounty Hunter say it is cool, hearing you say it is....well its the opposite brah 8) (see it doesn't even sound cool coming from me!)

Have a good weekend, burn those abs through!

Cheers for tha input Android, for your own photos. Yes, you're physique looks different. Still, could have been a number of things that contributed to how you look in the latest shot and how you look in the previous. Not just diet. Considering you added a fairly decent amount of muscle second time around, while also bringing your bodyfat percentage down giving you better conditioning overall.. Hence the overall win.

Enjoy tha weekend! :grin:

Ok thats great to here you did do a tapper phase as that did concern me...but still a few factors to consider, but hey as android pointed out your doing modeling which is far from my area of expertise haha so ill take your word on how this works out for you!

ANDRIOD wow what a difference mate (or brah haha)...you look like a novice in the first pic and an elite in the second im very impressed. Intrested to here what you did differently the second time around??

NZPT, great to have you on board. - Stick around to see how thing's pan out. Next photo is up this sunday/monday.

Cheers!

[nicksmith3]

- Musashi justice using Hotrox as your primary fat burner to get results imo...unless you are attributing the type of whey which only they supply to the fat loss

I would also like to add, that i'm sure Musashi and the rest of the readers of this post would appreciate my unbiased opinion of Musashi's and any additional products i will be utilising during this log. - Credibility is something that needs to be on the table here. Note - Musashi has not outlined that there are any specific requirements from me during the cut in regards to using supplements from outside brands.

[rooney111]

very keen on the outcome nick

10 week cut imo is not too fast, its 2 months+

ive lost 20kgs in 3 months just with moderate cardio(5-6km run 5times a week) and healthy diet but lost quite bit of muscle :banging: :clubbed:

hence im keeping a close eye on how nick tackles the muscle loss problem...

bro at the end of 10th week cut, if you turn out to be any bigger(minimal loss of muscle) and as cut or more cutter than your display pic...you'll be a bloody legend :salute: :nod:

[Loochi]

I can't wait to see the results man.. Real curious.

[Optimass]

Nick we aren't rippin ya mate ... NZPT and Android have posted some pretty compelling info .. I note you make reference to Lane quite a bit - and he is by all accounts a specialist when it comes to nutrition and metabolism. I guess my concern is what the noob or average trainer will take away from aspects of your methodology. But as you say lets all see how you end up - and I have no doubt that you will reach your goal have used my own body as a science project for many years.

Now coming back to the 11 shakes ... to quote Lane

Whey is a milk derived soluble protein that is quickly digested. Whey has been clinically shown to increase protein synthesis by as much as 68% when consumed post workout. This is because whey gives your body a flood of amino acids very quickly, causing a rise in protein synthesis.

Unfortunately these same clinical studies showed that whey did nothing to prevent catabolism (muscle breakdown) So what is it good for: Whey is good when consumed post workout because your muscle's need protein fast and whey gives it to them fast, since it is digested in about 30 minutes. For this same reason, you should not take whey on an empty stomach or by itself at any other time of the day.

Another reason whey should only really be used post workout is because at any other time when it is taken by itself your body only uses about 30% of the amino acids. You see, whey gives your body such a quick flood of aminos that the body thinks it has more protein than it actually does and it sends the "excess" to the liver, where it is oxidized and used as energy.

So are you following his plan or mixing it up?

[nicksmith3]

very keen on the outcome nick

10 week cut imo is not too fast, its 2 months+

ive lost 20kgs in 3 months just with moderate cardio(5-6km run 5times a week) and healthy diet but lost quite bit of muscle :banging: :clubbed:

hence im keeping a close eye on how nick tackles the muscle loss problem...

bro at the end of 10th week cut, if you turn out to be any bigger(minimal loss of muscle) and as cut or more cutter than your display pic...you'll be a bloody legend :salute: :nod:

I'm hoping to do tha best i can with the given time and knowledge that i have obtained about how my body works, Feb. So what works for me, may not work for you.. Which is what we all repeat in this sport. - Everybody is different.

I can't wait to see the results man.. Real curious.

Myself included! :pfft:

Nick we aren't rippin ya mate ... NZPT and Android have posted some pretty compelling info .. I note you make reference to Lane quite a bit - and he is by all accounts a specialist when it comes to nutrition and metabolism. I guess my concern is what the noob or average trainer will take away from aspects of your methodology. But as you say lets all see how you end up - and I have no doubt that you will reach your goal have used my own body as a science project for many years.

Now coming back to the 11 shakes ... to quote Lane

Whey is a milk derived soluble protein that is quickly digested. Whey has been clinically shown to increase protein synthesis by as much as 68% when consumed post workout. This is because whey gives your body a flood of amino acids very quickly, causing a rise in protein synthesis.

Unfortunately these same clinical studies showed that whey did nothing to prevent catabolism (muscle breakdown) So what is it good for: Whey is good when consumed post workout because your muscle's need protein fast and whey gives it to them fast, since it is digested in about 30 minutes. For this same reason, you should not take whey on an empty stomach or by itself at any other time of the day.

Another reason whey should only really be used post workout is because at any other time when it is taken by itself your body only uses about 30% of the amino acids. You see, whey gives your body such a quick flood of aminos that the body thinks it has more protein than it actually does and it sends the "excess" to the liver, where it is oxidized and used as energy.

So are you following his plan or mixing it up?

Noted.

I'm running some of his ideas, and some that i've found to be effective for myself.

I've done the tuna/steak/chicken with broccoli/kumara/capsicum diet before. It didn't give me nearly the results i've seen when using whey isolate as my main protein source. Clinical studies or not, i get some real benefit from the shakes every hour. - Carbohydrates, esp oats are muscle sparing in their own right, correct? So when combining slow digesting carbohydrates with whey protein each meal, i get the benefits of continous repair of tissue, anti catbolic effects from the carbs, and the low fat is excellent for 'cutting'.

Genetics/training/diet - These all obviously play a part in how one will be able to manipulate their body to how they want. I get asked all the time, how did i go from a skinny 65kg 5,11 fella to where i am now in the time i have. It could be all of the things combined above that i have maximised, who knows. But what i do know, is that as a newbie when i first started playing around with protein intake etc. I found taking in at least 180g of whey protein a day was spurring my growth far faster than using meat alone.

Again, we are all different, and should learn how our bodies react to various foods at certain times of the day.

[vinzilla]

we still on for those pics today nick?

[nicksmith3]

The Musashi CUT - Diet Week 1, Day 7

Sunday 17th May 09.

Re-feed day

0850

x2 hot rox

multi vitamin

vitamin D

0900

20g Dextrose

1/2 cup oats

30g whey isolate

0930

half head broccoli

80g chicken breast

1000

1/2 cup oats

30g whey isolate

1100

1 cup oats

30g whey isolate

1120 (Resistance session - Triceps)

1220

140g whole wheat pasta

100g mixed veg

20g cottage cheese

1400

140g whole wheat pasta

100g mixed veg

20g cottage cheese

1530

20g cottage cheese

1630

1 cup oats

30g whey isolate

multi vitamin

1800

100g salmon

100g mixed veg

2000

100g salmon

100g mixed veg

2200

50g salmon

50g mixed veg

2245

20g cottage cheese

Notes - Re-feed day today. Throwing back 400g+ of carbs can be a pretty mean effort after dieting for the previous weeks. I made the most of it and threw down plenty of pasta, (one of my favourites) while keeping fats as low as possible, due to the fat storage effect that occurs during high carb days. Cottage cheese was introduced thoughout the day so i would get a constant release of protein while being able to put away extra carbohydrate.

The 'small' resistance session was also added to take advantage of the anabolic response from high carb days, along with replacing low glycogen levels in the muscle tissue. I sure filled out over the course of the day. (Could literaly feel my t-shirt stretching!) So for me arms were an obvious option, as i feel they are a weak point for me, as we all have those. - I also scored some salmon today, so im stoked about that! Will be on the menu for a few meals and then tuna will be thrown in later in the week.

The Musashi CUT - Training Week 1, Day 7

Sunday 17th May 09.

Triceps Midrange

Bar pushdown* (arms in close), 2 x 10-12

Triceps Stretch

Reverse overhead rope extensions, 1 x 10-12

Triceps Contracted (drop set)

Dumbbell kickbacks, 1 x 10(6)

*I do two warmup sets with 50 and 80 percent of my work weight for 10 and eight reps, respectively, prior to my work sets.

Note - Today's session was only to facilitate growth within the arms and continue to keep the 'extra' carbohydrate intake moving around the muscles as opposed to be stored as fat. I just focused on the pump, making sure i warmed the elbows up fully before i increased the weight and finished with a solid dropset that left me feeling pumped. :grin:

[nicksmith3]

The Musashi CUT - Diet Week 1, Day 7

Sunday 17th May 09.

Progress photo #1

Day 1

Day 7

Note - I could probably do with a tan, yeah i know. That will come along with the fat loss.

Cheers! :grin:

[rooney111]

ok this is scary

i never knew 7 days could make such a difference!!!

awesome job bro!!!

[1day]

:clap: well done sartin to cut up nicely , but ur first pic ur gut was pushed out in a 'super relaxed' pose and ur obviously flexin abs in new pic. might pay to take a relaxed gut pic again to get tru comparison?!

just my 2cents :wink:

[becbec]

LOL WHUT BRAH?!?!

who did you give the pies to?

[Paul]

:clap: well done sartin to cut up nicely , but ur first pic ur gut was pushed out in a 'super relaxed' pose and ur obviously flexin abs in new pic. might pay to take a relaxed gut pic again to get tru comparison?!

just my 2cents :wink:

:roll:

If thats seven days u should run an informercial

:shock:

[runveerun]

My god that's fantastic for 7 days work! My mind is boggling to what you will look like after 10 weeks! Go Nick!

[Android]

fantastic Nick, now you're starting to look like a model, got work lined up or you going to wait until you're in shape then hit the agencies.

[tikalosh]

good progress, lighting and flexing in second shot compared to first shot is a bit misleading imho.

but yeah good shit ay :clap:

[nicksmith3]

ok this is scary

i never knew 7 days could make such a difference!!!

awesome job bro!!!

Thanks Feb, will catch you tommorow 1900 sharp! :grin:

:clap: well done sartin to cut up nicely , but ur first pic ur gut was pushed out in a 'super relaxed' pose and ur obviously flexin abs in new pic. might pay to take a relaxed gut pic again to get tru comparison?!

just my 2cents :wink:

Cheers bud..

LOL WHUT BRAH?!?!

who did you give the pies to?

Brah, I gave em back to Luigi. :pfft:

If thats seven days u should run an informercial

:shock:

Lol! I'll have to keep that in mind! :pfft:

My god that's fantastic for 7 days work! My mind is boggling to what you will look like after 10 weeks! Go Nick!

Thanks Vee! - There's much more to come...

fantastic Nick, now you're starting to look like a model, got work lined up or you going to wait until you're in shape then hit the agencies.

Thanks Android!

As for the agencies, i will be promoting myself, as i feel its a more viable option at this stage. :grin:

good progress, lighting and flexing in second shot compared to first shot is a bit misleading imho.

but yeah good shit ay :clap:

Cheers mate, appreciate the support! :wink:

[laurasaur]

nice nice.. totally agree with the comparison pics and next weeks should be even more interesting. I'm eating all the pies.

[Amara]

I feel sick just reading through ur eating plan..... good on you for sticking to this!

by the way i do ab exercises 6 days a week, is that too much? u said 2 days is enough... u sure :-s ... every 2nd day sounds better to me. I have a flabby gut btw... im trying to lose weight and tone up... even a lil muscle.. doing 20 mins treadmill (intervals) and 20 mins cross trainer - 6 days a week... wat u reckon?

[Amara]

nick, saw the updated photos, thats a huge change after 7 days....

good on you :clap:

could u wear something longer or less tight next time?... :pfft:

[Amara]

very keen on the outcome nick

10 week cut imo is not too fast, its 2 months+

ive lost 20kgs in 3 months just with moderate cardio(5-6km run 5times a week) and healthy diet but lost quite bit of muscle :banging: :clubbed:

hence im keeping a close eye on how nick tackles the muscle loss problem...

bro at the end of 10th week cut, if you turn out to be any bigger(minimal loss of muscle) and as cut or more cutter than your display pic...you'll be a bloody legend :salute: :nod:

i thought it wasnt possible to lose muscle if you have enough protein.... :shock: ... wat am i forcing myself to eat all that protein for then :shock:

i wont ask for help :shifty: