NEW NABBA Class

[nate225]

Yep totally agree, New class, extra time, means Open categories in the night shows will have more time to wait, tired, hungry and dehydrated backstage. The audience have to sit through a sub-standard category waiting to see the best of the bunch. Shows are long enough already, why make them longer for competitors and spectators.

Yeah I tend to say "F*ck this I'm outa here" well before a show finishes, which is a shame as most of the bods (Physique) I came to see are on stage last. I remember 2000 NZFBB when Ronnie posed - it was near 1.00 a.m! (Managed to stay awake to see big Ronnie!),

[Outlaw53]

Yep totally agree, New class, extra time, means Open categories in the night shows will have more time to wait, tired, hungry and dehydrated backstage. The audience have to sit through a sub-standard category waiting to see the best of the bunch. Shows are long enough already, why make them longer for competitors and spectators.

Yeah I tend to say "F*ck this I'm outa here" well before a show finishes, which is a shame as most of the bods (Physique) I came to see are on stage last. I remember 2000 NZFBB when Ronnie posed - it was near 1.00 a.m! (Managed to stay awake to see big Ronnie!),

Isn't it amazing?

It's quite obvious that all of us a sick and tired of long-arsed boring shows that drag on forever, yet promoters and federations seem hell bent on finding even more ways to drag them out.

Hopefully this thread will be taken into consideration for future comps.

Attention all promoters and federations:

Cut the classes and get us in and out of the theatre quicker please.

Some of us have lives to attend to.

[Gym rat]

Yep totally agree, New class, extra time, means Open categories in the night shows will have more time to wait, tired, hungry and dehydrated backstage. The audience have to sit through a sub-standard category waiting to see the best of the bunch. Shows are long enough already, why make them longer for competitors and spectators.

Yeah I tend to say "F*ck this I'm outa here" well before a show finishes, which is a shame as most of the bods (Physique) I came to see are on stage last. I remember 2000 NZFBB when Ronnie posed - it was near 1.00 a.m! (Managed to stay awake to see big Ronnie!),

Isn't it amazing?

It's quite obvious that all of us a sick and tired of long-arsed boring shows that drag on forever, yet promoters and federations seem hell bent on finding even more ways to drag them out.

Hopefully this thread will be taken into consideration for future comps.

Attention all promoters and federations:

Cut the classes and get us in and out of the theatre quicker please.

Some of us have lives to attend to.

That is a very good point for example if person who attends the show and they want to go out on the town if the show finishes late plus it dose not give them much time to go out for drink or meal that would also include the athletes as well.

[SportsGuru]

hey all aside from the stamos section of this thread its been a great debate and has been a good read thus far keep the ideas for shows comming,

We've paid to see a bodybuilding show and thats what we want to see, not all this other crap.

No other sport allows bimbo girls to participate in their show just to boost the numbers.

It's not only ridiculous, it's embarrassing.

please corect me if i am wrong but one of the worlds formost Body building shows has "bimbos" (your words not mine) as a class/competition

the bikini contest at the arnold clasic!

Imho the sport of "Body building in new zealand and austraila is smaller than it should be! smaller in public recognition/competiter numbers/overall,

this in my opinion is partly due to the ego-centric nature of competitors (its a good thing to cos without it our sport would be nothing), meaning that some keep the sport small by excluding others because of their lack of size, muscle maturity, or their fitness prowess,

i am relitivly new to this and i am trying to grow the sport for the competitors but to do this it does need to be a show, it is well known that the magority of the crowd is there to see the person or people they know on stage (or the clas they themselves compete in). therefore a show that has many classses becomes "boring to them" or to drawn out" each and every competitor that has worked their but off deserves just as much crouwd suport at a show as any other, being a small nation it would be silly to think that a show could servive with just physic classes, unless it posing in your lounge for your mates that you want a trophy for?

to my way of thinking but the Arnold show has made its mark on the bodybuilding world by diversifing

if an mma contest was going on in a arena next to a body building show i would definatly go watch whils my least favorite "Bodybuilding" class was on stage, i think perhaps we have become a little narow minded and have forgotten that its those people who have never competed/or been to a show that come watch and are inspired to get up there that will keep our sport going so buy diversifing your gaining an audence that inturn should lead to more competiters,

just to test the waters and add fule to the fire i am thinking of adding a MR PUNIVERSE Class to the southisland show what do you think?

also i want to know if those who came to the Asia Pacifics enjoyed the entertainment of the karate ?

comments always welcome critisisims greatly recived,

but this isnt a spelling bee so you will have to desifer my typing

[weener lad]

ust to test the waters and add fule to the fire i am thinking of adding a MR PUNIVERSE Class to the southisland show what do you think?

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft: Geez I hope you are having a laugh, couldn't think of anything worse.

BIGGIRL I couldn't agree more, the whole point of a bodybuilding comp is the bodybuilders. Generally the open classes will suffer (ie boys and girls loosing condition and paitence) while waiting for the modeling comp to finish.

DITCH THE MODELS !!!!! unless they are hot girls who want to put our tan on :wink:

[Outlaw53]

Nup, I can't agree with most ot that Sports Guru, no offence of course, as you mentioned its been an interesting debate.

The Arnold is a very poor comparison.

It is 4 day event so you can pick and chose what you want to see.

I'm pretty sure over half the people who go are not in the slightest bit interested in bodybuilding as are the bodybuilders not interested in the other sports.

The problem with Aust & NZ is that these 'Poofta' classes are forced onto us - we have no choice.

If you read through most of the posts you will see that not many of us want them.

This is always something that bugs me, why are we catering for all these newbies and johnny-come-latelys?

The sport is what it is - a bodybuilding contest.

AFL umpires are not instructed to bounce the football lower so the shorter ruck-man can reach it.

The shorter guy just has to jump higher!

There is nothing wrong with bodybuilding, we all love it the way it is, we don't want it to be watered down into some kind of girly feel-good show.

The biggest and the best physique will win.

Just like the fastest car will win a race or the highest score will win a cricket match.

We are not excluding any smaller guys from competing, they are more than welcome to compete but please don't ask us to make up special classes for them so they can win.

How does this improve and strengthen the sport?

Just because someone gets up on stage and competes doesn't mean that they should get a trophy just for showing up.

No one gets respect that way.

I have a lot more respect for the guy that keeps putting himself up against the best and not winning than some 'trophy hunter' who just rocks up to each show for an easy win.

Competition is exciting - trophy presentations are boring.

Could you sit through a whole night at the Grammys or Oscars?

That's what bodybuilding is like now - thanks for coming - here's your trophy for beating no one.

[SportsGuru]

no offence of course, as you mentioned its been an interesting debate.

It is 4 day event so you can pick and chose what you want to see.

Definatly no ofence taken it will take alot to ofend me

The Arnold is a very poor comparison.

"Just like the fastest car will win a race "

poor comparason also lol because if you go to a drag meet (car racing not boys dressed as girls) you will notice they have a lot of diferent classes, and as new engens are built they into new classes to cater for them, the end of a race day is concluded with overals just like a bodybuilding show where the fastest in each class compeets to see who is the overall champ,

dont get me wrong i do see where your coming from and want the sport of BB to be just that,

if we were to only give trophies to the biggest guy & girl you would soon have those that never win drop off becuase they get disheartend thus having the opisite effect to what we endever to get more competiters

[nicksmith3]

ust to test the waters and add fule to the fire i am thinking of adding a MR PUNIVERSE Class to the southisland show what do you think?

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft: Geez I hope you are having a laugh, couldn't think of anything worse.

BIGGIRL I couldn't agree more, the whole point of a bodybuilding comp is the bodybuilders. Generally the open classes will suffer (ie boys and girls loosing condition and paitence) while waiting for the modeling comp to finish.

DITCH THE MODELS !!!!! unless they are hot girls who want to put our tan on :wink:

I'm not so keen on PUNIVERSE.. As a general rule the skinny guys don't like being skinny, but lack the knowledge of being able to add size. Either that or they are endurance athletes! (no disrespect intended) :grin:

The karate i felt was a good refresher for the show. Considering it only went for ten minutes, i don't think many people were put out.

Who liked the coffee stand out front? I thought that was a good idea, and probably bought in some more revenue..

It's all about maximising on what you already have. I guess the way you go about it is going to be the deciding factor on a good show, or a great show.

So far the feedback on the Asia Pacific has been that it was a GREAT show...

[Optimass]

Why not have a wet jock strap competition and a jelly wrestling pit!

fake NABBA ... what are they thinking?!!!!

:doh:

[nicksmith3]

Why not have a wet jock strap competition and a jelly wrestling pit!

fake NABBA ... what are they thinking?!!!!

:doh:

SportsGuru organises the south island show's now, maybe you could ask him? :grin:

[Gym rat]

Why not have a wet jock strap competition and a jelly wrestling pit!

fake NABBA ... what are they thinking?!!!!

:doh:

:nod:

[SportsGuru]

Why not have a wet jock strap competition and a jelly wrestling pit!

fake NABBA ... what are they thinking?!!!!

:doh:

:nod:

ok guys but i will need your registrations and payment in advance

oh and entry fee will be higher for these classes as we will need to suply binoculars and or blind folds for the auidance binoculars for when you 2 are posing in jockstraps and blind folds for when your wresting cos u two are bound to get x rated with each other

[biggurl27]

[Outlaw53]

Why not have a wet jock strap competition and a jelly wrestling pit!

fake NABBA ... what are they thinking?!!!!

:doh:

LOL........Funny stuff Optimass. :grin:

[Android]

Mr Puniverse ay? :shock:

Maybe I'd go to one of your shows if you put on 'dwarf-throwing' as well.

Bodybuilding is an individualist elitist kind of sport so you're not likely to get support from those of us who compete for things like bikini class.

But as a spectator I could do with some entertainment somewhere in the middle of the show and would appreciate a laugh or a perve :pfft:

[Android]

.........

dont get me wrong i do see where your coming from and want the sport of BB to be just that,

if we were to only give trophies to the biggest guy & girl you would soon have those that never win drop off becuase they get disheartend thus having the opisite effect to what we endever to get more competiters

dont get me wrong i do see where your coming from and want the sport of BB to be just that,"

....thus having the opisite effect to what we endever to get more competiters

you want BB to be just BB but you also want more competitors.

at first I was going to tear strips off such a split-personality statement, because it seems by throwing in bikini or model classes you are giving up BB to get more competitors (u want more competitors, your words).

But on reflection you're right the great Arnold Classic has brought in those classes and more to create what is a huge event for BB'ers, body sculptors, gym rats etc.

And where can body sculptors go for recognition?

I don't have an answer but you'll not please everyone whatever you decide to do.

I wish you well down the path you choose and hope it pans out in the long run as a good decision...gut feeling says it will work out, you'll get more number that's undeniable, BB'ers will still turn up especially as it will become a big event (BB'ers love attention!) and they'll still be the freaks of the show that the audience just loves to see so I say go for it :-)

[nate225]

As Outlaw stated the Arnold is a multi-day sports festival, not a one evening event (for the general admission).

To combine the bikini class with this BBing could do what boxing / kickboxing does & get them to walk around with round cards! If there has to be a prize for the girl with the best T & A so be it!

But back to the festival thing, wouldn't it be good if NZ could do a similar thing on a smaller scale? Fitness exhibition with retailer stands (equip, supps, gyms, trainers, clubs etc) and a BBing show, PLing comp, Strongman, MMA (and even aerobicky type stuff ). Would take some organising but could be a goer (as Big Boys Toys & Womans Expos are).

I believe Oz have something similar on the Gold Coast as my training partner is doing the Pro Strongman comp their in Dec???

[nicksmith3]

As Outlaw stated the Arnold is a multi-day sports festival, not a one evening event (for the general admission).

To combine the bikini class with this BBing could do what boxing / kickboxing does & get them to walk around with round cards! If there has to be a prize for the girl with the best T & A so be it!

But back to the festival thing, wouldn't it be good if NZ could do a similar thing on a smaller scale? Fitness exhibition with retailer stands (equip, supps, gyms, trainers, clubs etc) and a BBing show, PLing comp, Strongman, MMA (and even aerobicky type stuff ). Would take some organising but could be a goer (as Big Boys Toys & Womans Expos are).

I believe Oz have something similar on the Gold Coast as my training partner is doing the Pro Strongman comp their in Dec???

I agree, this would be a great idea!

Even at this stage being able to round up a few supplement/sports company's to have stands set up out front with good DEALS going. We all like a bargain, especially when we spend so much money on supps/food and the odd set of straps/belts/tshirts merchandise to wear to the gym.. etc etc.. Plus it gives the brands exposure to be wearing their gear, and if the clothing states, Bodybuilding on it somewhere most the boys will pick it up just so they can make a STATEMENT.

[Gym rat]

That is a very good idea which Nicksmith mention also I like that idea as having stand at show that sells supplements,belts,gloves etc and bodybuilding DVD's at discount price also I like bargains as well.Plus that would be very cool to have a fitness expo with all the diffreent supplement brands that are out giving way free stuff just like what at some of the big shows in the states for example the Aronold or the Olympia plus I am a sucker for free stuff.

[Matrix]

I agree, great idea but very difficult to get off the ground.

I remember at the Elite last year thinking what a great venue and time to have this. Make it a 2 day show(prejudge day 1 and finals day 2) or full day with MMA, wrestling, powerlifting and product expos in between.

I think the problem with this is that the promoter (Moe) had sooooo much to do training,organising (and did a good job at this) that someone else would need to organize the expo.

It may be a case of advertise it and they will come...

But the big shows are definately a great chance to have this. Could also incorporate team Bench press comp perhaps Gym vs Gym, curls/dips/chins, multiple supplement/clothing stands with promo people, product raffle draws, would be great. Probably needs several people with the right connections to work together to do this. The biggest barrier to solve is coming up with enough cash to book a suitable venue and getting enough tickets pre sold. This can be a big gamble.

Thats why the biggest expos are only at the Olympia and Arnold as the other pro comps dont have the same resources to do this sort of thing on the same scale. Could potentially be great though.

[nate225]

The trick for an expo would be for a promoter (not a BBing person specifically) to size the "Fitness Lifestyle Expo" potential up with some market research.

If NZL is ready for such an expo the finance will come.

The promoter would probably then have a process to work out who would be at the event - this occurred at the Arnold where WPO Powerlifting started off but was later replaced by USPF/IPF Powerlifting, possibly involved a tender process?

From what I've seen in NZ I don't think such an event could be managed by a BBing show promoter (with no discredit to those involved), or by tacking it onto an existing show. It would need to be a financially viable event put together by event management professionals (that are a hell of a lot better resourced than BBing feds in NZL).

My 10 cents anyway!

Nate

[nicksmith3]

I agree, would certainly be a team effort of management professionals and people willing to help out for the love of the sport as well.

At the arnold there is a ton of people who help out, ie people sponsored by companys helping out at the booths. You've got the backstage tanners. The guy running around outback telling the boys when their 'on'.

Could also be a place where if more hands were given to help make light work, it could certainly become more and more viable. I myself would put my hand up to help out. Could just be a matter of throwing up a poll/post asking who would be interested in helping out at the shows, ie throw your name and number down..

[Outlaw53]

Geez, we've really raised the bar here - we've gone from running small bodybuilding shows, (that we can barely do properly), to a weekend sports festival!

As great as it sounds, this is almost impossible to do.

The co-ordination and commitment that would be required is massive.

For something like this to be successful would require 18mth - 2yrs of planning and advertising.

Just a few things that you would need to take into account:

* Venue: Not as easy as it sounds.

Getting a venue that can meet your requirements, is available at the time you want, getting the right area etc are just some of the problems. All venues require a deposit upfront, some of the bigger ones ask for 50%.

The John Batman theatre in Melb where the Aussie Pro Show used to be held is $20,000 a day. This doesn't include the foyer/Expo area.

If you are still keen after that then here are some other considerations:

* Competitors: Will they do it? What are the incentives? Is it going to be a National show which qualifies you for a World Championship or will it just be a big show that might only last a year then go broke?

Bodybuilders are renown for just sitting things out for the first year or two just to see how things go.

Don't expect many to commit themselves. For every 10 that say they will do it you'd be lucky to get 1 that does.

Which federation will run it? Can you expect support from other competitors?

Probably not.

If NZ is anything like Aust then you will find all the other feds will be hoping that it goes arse-up.

Don't expect a lot of support or encouragement.

In fact, expect the opposite - rumours of how the show is in trouble, the promoter's gone broke etc.

* Other Sports: If you are still determined then consider this - what other sports or events will you recruit for this Expo and will they be interested?

I doubt whether many legitimate sports would want to get into bed with a bodybuilding show. The steroid stigma along with the public's perception of us means that not many sports would want to be involved.

The ones that have been mentioned are not much better than bodybuilding to be honest. Boxing, kickboxing, powerlifting, modelling etc, none of them are very creditable.

They are either poorly run, are governed by various federations, (like BBing) or don't attract any crowds.

Added to that you would need to organise a date that suits all of them and hope to Christ they don't pull out at the last minute.

For the one or two of you who are still stubborn enough to go through with this then there is one really important thing that needs to be considered far and above everything else.......MONEY!

* Sponsors: Can you get enough sponsors to pay for this?

I doubt it. Again, something like this requires commitment a long way out.

Things change in 12mths, especially in today's financial climate.

To get a financial commitment 12-18mths in advance is almost impossible.

Even if you did, how much would they kick in?

$500 for a booth maybe?

FILEX in Sydney charges $5,000 per booth which is basically the size of a trestle table. No one is going to pay that for a bodybuilding Expo.

* Fans: And after all that, you need bums on seats. How many of you would honestly spend the entire weekend at this expo?

Accommodation costs, eating out, airfares etc.

Yeah, you might get a few locals who will go for the day, but to create a weekend festival like the Arnold Classic requires an incredible amount of money.

No promoter in Aust or NZ could do it.

Please don't get me wrong, this is not meant to be a negative post, just a reality check.

As a promoter myself I have sussed out stuff like this, but its way beyond anything I could do.

I would prefer to stick to what I know best and keep improving on that.

Good luck to anyone who attempts to run a sports Expo, you're gonna need it.

[mr natural]

gee you sound like a real cheery fellow come show time mate :pfft:

[NABBA]

Hi

I love reading these posts about what NABBA should or shouldn't do. It's great that there is an open forum for people to discuss the sport.

I must say as both an athlete and a member of the NABBA Exec for Wellington, it does get disheartening that we can't just put all the crap aside and just get on with promoting the sport in the country, getting the numbers up regardless of whatever Fed etc athletes choose to compete in - or what class! Lets just get people competing!

The old hats out there who've done their many shows and are progressing on to overseas comps or retiring etc, I salute you. :clap: It's you that I looked up to when I thought about this starting this sport. Now lets get the young guys and girls looking at the sport, not for its politics or opinions people may have but for the enjoyment of training hard and showing off that hard work to their peers, friends and family on stage.

The Fitness class has always existed for NABBA. It's not a "new" class, just one where numbers have been limited. It's the only class open to both men and women where those competitors can compete in another class within the same show (physique, figure, whatever).

I'm no fitness person but I actively encourage those men and women with a fitness background to give this class a go. Hell I'm even keen to do it myself just to show that there are many out there that could do it better than me :nod: - if that works to encourage people. I see so many girls do figure or shape that are ideal for fitness. I have also watched the extremely talented, very muscular and functional Mr Keri Onyewu do this class before.

I read this board often, its great for people to have a forum to talk, discuss etc. And I really appreciate the guys behind nzbb.bo.nz for their passion for the sport to establish and moderate the site.

My opinions of NABBA NZ, NABBA Aus, NABBA international, NZFBB, IFBB etc are my opinions, hell I could spend all day on here some days going on about what I think. I choose to compete NABBA, it suits me. I choose to be a NABBA Exec as I want to give back to the sport and encourage new people through. I love this sport and I want to see more people compete, enjoy themselves and come back and compete again in the years to follow, whichever show.

Like most the other execs, volunteers and show promoters out there I want to see people enjoying the sport, the comps they choose to do, and getting the right information to make the most informed decision they can on where they compete. I am always more that happy for any athlete wanting to know about bodybuilding, Wellington NABBA etc to call or email me. My details are on the NABBA Wellington Regional page.

Inyan

AKA: Maeve - NABBA Wellington Executive