NEW NABBA Class

[Marcus]

Small, John_Stamos keep your bickering out of the main forums please. This is your first and last warning.

While your here Marcus, do you have an opinion on the new classes?

While it's not my thing, I think it will generate some interest. The wider the target market the more viewer potential.

[Outlaw53]

Small, John_Stamos keep your bickering out of the main forums please. This is your first and last warning.

While your here Marcus, do you have an opinion on the new classes?

While it's not my thing, I think it will generate some interest. The wider the target market the more viewer potential.

Are there enough competitors in NZ to support yet another class?

We see regular classes of just 1 and 2 competitors over here in Aust.

It's getting beyond a joke, we all want to see a proper contest, not a trophy presentation.

[weener lad]

It was a good read till a dozen posts ago!!! :evil:

As a Classic competitor (small and lean as most here put it) I could sit here defending the class till I'm blue in the face, but I won't! There is a place for most classes in bodybuilding as long as it is exactly that, BODYBUILDING.

Having some male poster boy class at any comp is not a good idea when the current classes are struggling for numbers. :nod:

My 2 cents is build all existing classes and if they federations want to try this new class put it in as an exhibition class only.

[deeepsouth_nz]

As a Classic competitor (small and lean as most here put it)....

I would like really to see what these people look like themselves that call Classic / Athletic small and lean and try to rip the class off.

I have seen some Classic / Athletic class athletes that are still big boys. Just the lines tend to be cleaner and often things more evenly proportioned.

Give me a bodybuilder that has a better overall package over one that is huge for huge sake any day....does the same deal of effort go into that?!

Anyway Classic / Athletic is a great class to have.....Fitness Model would not. As Weener said we need to boost numbers in the existing format.

[teamfatboy]

Well said, DeepSouth...surely anyone fit enough to be a role model in the fitness industry should be at least capable of meeting athletic/classic standards of lean-ness and symmetry.

I guess my thought is that we need to remember that this is a competitive sport - too many classes turn it into Outlaw's worst fear, the 'Everyone gets a medal' sport.

The irony of it is this Fitness class wouldn't help me in any way :nod: I'm planning on competing later in the year, I'm already too heavy (on simple lean muscle mass alone, never mind %bf) to do athletic - so my choices are limited to Novice (competing against guys 20 years younger than me, oozing testosterone) or Masters (guys my age who've been training since forever) . So I fully expect to get my ass kicked - but only the first time. My one advantage is that I can only get better :grin: but I expect there to be competition, and too many classes won't do anything for that.

[Small]

Small, John_Stamos keep your bickering out of the main forums please. This is your first and last warning.

WELL why dont you MOD and stop personal attacks on LEGIT FORUM MEMBERS hmmmm.

i dont ever remember anyone calling you fat, and tbh i dont think you'd tolerate it either.

[weener lad]

Small, John_Stamos keep your bickering out of the main forums please. This is your first and last warning.

WELL why dont you MOD and stop personal attacks on LEGIT FORUM MEMBERS hmmmm.

i dont ever remember anyone calling you fat, and tbh i dont think you'd tolerate it either.

It's prob time to drop it fella and get back on topic. :nod:

[Small]

It's prob time to drop it fella and get back on topic. :nod:

ive PMd my magic :grin:

sozz peoples as you were

[teamfatboy]

Nah, the other siggy was better...

Have you given up on M-n-Ms, now's you're at Uni?

[1day]

IMO i rekon its a stupid idea to add new class wen there are lack of numbers in other classes which means that sum1 that looks like they have barely any muscle/shape/definition etc can walk away witha prize(cause they are the only ones in the class) and go tell there friends they won there class at a bodybuilding comp, last think we want is evan smaller/non toned dudes walkin round boasting they one a bb comp too

ie.

[teamfatboy]

..and female bodybuilding could end up like this :shock: that is sooooo not a healthy look.

[Optimass]

the sport is easily misunderstood as it is without heading in this direction.

[nicksmith3]

Increasing seat numbers with the family members and 'fans' of the Mr Fitness category isn't bad business sense.

If the theatres are packed out and the show's are making more money, won't that do some good for the bodybuilding community?

Businesses never went broke from making money. And as far as im aware, the organisations that support this sport need to make as much of this as they can in order to increase promotional activity and public awareness. Marketing and advertising costs money.

Im just putting another viewpoint out there. Not nessicarily my own, but an idea that hasn't quite popped up yet.

:banging: :discussion: :horseshit:

[weener lad]

Increasing seat numbers with the family members and 'fans' of the Mr Fitness category isn't bad business sense.

If the theatres are packed out and the show's are making more money, won't that do some good for the bodybuilding community?

Businesses never went broke from making money. And as far as im aware, the organisations that support this sport need to make as much of this as they can in order to increase promotional activity and public awareness. Marketing and advertising costs money.

Im just putting another viewpoint out there. Not nessicarily my own, but an idea that hasn't quite popped up yet.

:banging: :discussion: :horseshit:

Completely agree

However, you don't see model comps at the golden sheers just so they can get extra numbers! Most others organizations concentrate on developing their product to it's peak before expanding it. This is something both feds are still struggling to do at some shows.

The other flip side to this is prizes. Generally these modeling type comps give very good prizes and prizes money to the winner, meaning most of any extra coin they bring in will be just handed over to the winner. Now if there are no good prizes /money you wont get the contestants and once again you will have another half ass class.

[deeepsouth_nz]

Absolutely! Although Im not motivated by prizes alone, I won a prize to use in Chch for winning the South Islands - that wasnt redeemable anywhere else and I was back home the next day unable to use it

[Outlaw53]

Some good points being made here, keep 'em coming.

You will get no argument from me that promoters and federations need to make money, but just bringing in a couple of bimbos to boost seat sales is definitely not the way to go.

What next, run a cake stall out in the foyer to make a few extra bucks, allow a Scottish Pipe band to run a competition on the stage along with the bimbos and bodybuilders?

We've paid to see a bodybuilding show and thats what we want to see, not all this other crap.

No other sport allows bimbo girls to participate in their show just to boost the numbers.

It's not only ridiculous, it's embarrassing.

Promoters and federations need to work harder at promoting bodybuilding.

There would be no need for this other crap if they worked harder at attracting more competitors.

So how do you get more competitors?

Good question, I'm still trying to work that out. :grin:

I'm in my 4th year for the CCI and each year it is getting a bit bigger.

I started off with only 230 payers the first year, I got 430 last year & this year should be a sellout (500).

I have never deviated from my original plan - it takes awhile for bodybuilders to trust you - chopping and changing the rules and classes all the time doesn't build confidence in your show.

I'm still looking for the right formula for mine, its not easy.

I give away 'real' prizes, not 'pretend' prizes.

Prizes like a weekend away, a massage, a makeover, free gym membership etc are absolutely useless.

They are not 'real' prizes.

Most people will never use them as they are not convenient for them to do.

No one's gonna drive to another state or suburb for a free haircut or massage or a gym membership.

And things like el-cheapo toasters & coffee machines, no one wants that kind of crap.

A prize should be something fun, something that you would like but can't afford to buy.

My prizes consist of TVs, DVD players, Hi Fi systems, cameras, video cameras, Plasma TV etc.

And how about the trophies?

I dunno about NZ, but the trophies over here are mostly shit.

Just tiny plastic looking things that probably cost around $20 to buy.

I can remember when people competed just for the trophy!

They were massive and were worth every ounce of sweat when you won it.

These days they all look the same at each show.

Again, I have tried to do something different.

My medallions are all hand carved and my championship belt is hand made especially for the show.

It costs me $1,000 and is worth every cent when you see how proud each winner is when they hold it up.

Yes, they get to keep it, I make a new one each year.

Now I'm not saying that my way is the best way, I haven't made a cent yet, I break even every year, but this year is looking promising.

All I'm saying is how about giving bodybuilders a reason to compete.

Put some pride back into the sport

Start treating them better and you never know, they might start supporting your show.

Forget this sportsmodel shit, it does nothing but lower the standard of a show and in actual fact cheapens the whole day.

I'm sick of cringing and feeling embarrassed every time I go to a show.

Rant over - flame away.

[bigmd]

A fitness class belongs at an aerobics comp more than a bodybuilding show, to be honest i think the shape class is about the same.

If its not about building muscle dieting off the fat and showing a body that is more muscular and leaner than the average, then put it in a model search contest at a mall, pub or some other form of competition!!! its bad enough going to a comp were every single person gets 1st or 2nd let alone watering it down even more. we are loosing the whole "competition" at these competions, its getting closer to a bodybuilding display where everyone gets a medal or trophy for turning up.

[nicksmith3]

Outlaw, BigMD.. You fella's both have some great points! And its not suprising with the both of you being veterans of the sport. :grin:

Well, maybe NABBA will drop this class after this year.. With all the bad critisim it has had so far.

As for having 'entertainment' at the show's.. As outlaw was saying 'bagpipes etc' LOL! I think the idea, is to keep the crowd 'refreshed' by giving them something different for ten minutes or so during the show. (Not nessicarily a bagpipe march down centre stage. LOL!) So once the competitors come out, the crowd WANTS to see more bodybuilders shredded and sweating it out to WIN.

:computer: :dancing: :flames:

[Small]

wasnt this thread originally about the Mens Fitnessmodel catagory

when i think of a bimbo i dont think of a dude haha

nevertheless...

We've paid to see a bodybuilding show and thats what we want to see, not all this other crap.

No other sport allows bimbo girls to participate in their show just to boost the numbers.It's not only ridiculous, it's embarrassing.

i absolutely agree 100%

A fitness class belongs at an aerobics comp more than a bodybuilding show, to be honest i think the shape class is about the same.

i dont really agree with this; when I look at girls such as Monica Brant, she typifies a Figure competitor to the tee, yet she came from a aerobics background. When i try to think of a shape competitor i could aspire to be like [as i do with Brant] i can think of zilch.

So imo they are different, asking for different bodies, and different clasifications. Though on BigMDs point I think there is an avenue for fitness in the bodybuilding arena, yet shape, bikini model, and body fitness (which is different to fitness) are :roll:

physique, figure and fitness is enough

[bigmd]

A fitness class belongs at an aerobics comp more than a bodybuilding show, to be honest i think the shape class is about the same.

i dont really agree with this; when I look at girls such as Monica Brant, she typifies a Figure competitor to the tee, yet she came from a aerobics background. When i try to think of a shape competitor i could aspire to be like [as i do with Brant] i can think of zilch.

So imo they are different, asking for different bodies, and different clasifications. Though on BigMDs point I think there is an avenue for fitness in the bodybuilding arena, yet shape, bikini model, and body fitness (which is different to fitness) are :roll:

physique, figure and fitness is enough

All we have really seen bar a very few in shape are girls that have very little muscle, have NOT dieted properly or at all, and jump on stage and dance around with a whip or a walking stick or a top hat, you could get any number of girls in the gym with good bods and a dance back ground that would look more at place. to date i have seen mainly girls that would prob like to do figure but havent worked hardenough or long enough to attain that level. a few yrs ago when shap 1st evolved a girl by the name of shelly stevens competed and had a great athletic body with muscle and abs she looked great!!! no where big enough for even figure but a body that most girls would die for, perfect for shape!! she got 3rd to 2 girls who were still fat (I mean for stage) In its current form i dont think should be in a BBing comp, but if you can get some entertaining(without being al T and A) and bodys that have been worked on hard, i may reconsider if shape should be a part of BBing shows.

[Small]

your original post was about shape not warrenting a class at a bodybuilding show- i agreed with this. i was merely stating your comment about fitness belonging at an aerobic comp over a bodybuilding show as the one i disagreed with.

the girls who do fitness more often typify what a female athletic physique should be; the shape girls do not as you outline...

All we have really seen bar a very few in shape are girls that have very little muscle, have NOT dieted properly or at all, and jump on stage and dance around with a whip or a walking stick or a top hat

shape, as i said, imo, and as you said, not much place for in a bodybuilding show

fitness, as you said earlier, as having not much place for in a bodybuilding show IS what i disagree with

hope thats clear to you now.

maybe this shelley stevens you speak of should ahve done figure class-you say not nearly enough muscle; but then figure asks for more vascularity, leaness, and dryness that shape does not. this probably reflected in the judging hence why she was placed third not first.

[Outlaw53]

A fitness class belongs at an aerobics comp more than a bodybuilding show, to be honest i think the shape class is about the same.

If its not about building muscle dieting off the fat and showing a body that is more muscular and leaner than the average, then put it in a model search contest at a mall, pub or some other form of competition!!! its bad enough going to a comp were every single person gets 1st or 2nd let alone watering it down even more. we are loosing the whole "competition" at these competions, its getting closer to a bodybuilding display where everyone gets a medal or trophy for turning up.

Yep, I agree with all of this.

Bodybuilding shows have been 'water down' as MD puts it to cater for some fitnessy crap and model search that none of us would ever pay to go and see.

Seriously, how many of you serious bodybuilders out there would waste a day and pay good money to watch a fitness/sportsmodel show?

None.

So why are the various federations putting us through this torture.

None of these classes have anything to do with bodybuilding.

Dump the lot of them and bring back some pride and integrity to our sport.

[Outlaw53]

As for having 'entertainment' at the show's.. As outlaw was saying 'bagpipes etc' LOL! I think the idea, is to keep the crowd 'refreshed' by giving them something different for ten minutes or so during the show. (Not nessicarily a bagpipe march down centre stage. LOL!) So once the competitors come out, the crowd WANTS to see more bodybuilders shredded and sweating it out to WIN.

:computer: :dancing: :flames:

I know what your getting at mate, but all this 'so-called' entertainment simply makes the day drag out even longer.

By the time the bodybuilders come back on, most of us have either lost interest or we've buggered-off home.

A Guest Poser would be a lot more appreciated by the crowd.

Maybe something to open up the show and perhaps a Guest Poser after the break, but thats it.

Get the shows starting on time for a change and start running them a lot quicker.

Is it just Australia or do all your shows run at least 30-60mins late?

Before we start adding extra unwanted classes, how about we at least try to get the shows to run on time for a change.

I'm usually ready to kill some bastard by the time the bloody thing finally starts.

[biggurl27]

Yep totally agree, New class, extra time, means Open categories in the night shows will have more time to wait, tired, hungry and dehydrated backstage. The audience have to sit through a sub-standard category waiting to see the best of the bunch. Shows are long enough already, why make them longer for competitors and spectators.

[1day]

Well put! :clap: