Right age for steroids

[flexingtonsteel]

Now i no a lot of people believe that you should at least wait until your 21, and fill out your body and reach your natural limits blah blah blah.

If this was true then why did flex wheeler start using anabolic steroids at the age of 19 when he was only 145 pounds(65 kgs). And i think his body turned out lookin alright.

[boostinggtir]

I think most of the pros generally speaking start at a very young age.

[JamesR32GTR]

Build a base e.g learn to train and diet first before touching gear..get a good solid 5 years of lifting heavy weights under your belt ..early 20s is ok I guess.

Who told you Flex was 145pds when he started gassing?Also look at flex now,look at Tom Prince, Don Long I can type a whole list of names are there ailments related to steroid use ? no one knows but steroid and other drug abuse played a huge part in there downfalls..

Dont even think about comparing your self to the genetic elite either.

[Dr.Jackal]

Genetic elite is the key phrase there, if you think (seriously think) you are geneticly gifted enough to become a top pro then go for it I say.

[mr natural]

arnold started real early around 16 i would say

[auck_builder]

this question keeps coming up all the time. if u wanna do it and no the risks then just do it

[Luigi]

just make sure you have researched it a lot first man, then make your own judgement. so how old are you and what are your stats if you dont mind ?

[flexingtonsteel]

i personally dont plan on using steroids because i have an nrl contract. i was just reading a few threads and people were slamming guys that were to young and small so i thought i would just state that a lot of pros start using when they were young and their physique turned out looking alright.

[flexingtonsteel]

Build a base e.g learn to train and diet first before touching gear..get a good solid 5 years of lifting heavy weights under your belt ..early 20s is ok I guess.

Who told you Flex was 145pds when he started gassing?Also look at flex now,look at Tom Prince, Don Long I can type a whole list of names are there ailments related to steroid use ? no one knows but steroid and other drug abuse played a huge part in there downfalls..

Dont even think about comparing your self to the genetic elite either.

flex said himself in an interview. see this is what im saying, guys are saying to build a base an wait to your older but most pros start when their young so it cant be to bad for the average person.

and i would like to think that i have elite genitics,im 5"11,87 kgs,5.8% bodyfat and 17 years old and have an nrl contract so i think my genetics are pretty elite.

[aaa]

people say to wait so your own hormone system fully develops which could be as late as 25.I think its more of a health issue than what you end up looking like.

id say a good number of retired pros are on hrt for life so they are bad examples to use.

[auck_builder]

who are u signed with?

[flexingtonsteel]

who are u signed with?

titans i play in the under 20s but we also get to train with the top side which is mean.scott prince is the fucking man

[Mrbig]

Build a base e.g learn to train and diet first before touching gear..get a good solid 5 years of lifting heavy weights under your belt ..early 20s is ok I guess.

Who told you Flex was 145pds when he started gassing?Also look at flex now,look at Tom Prince, Don Long I can type a whole list of names are there ailments related to steroid use ? no one knows but steroid and other drug abuse played a huge part in there downfalls..

Dont even think about comparing your self to the genetic elite either.

flex said himself in an interview. see this is what im saying, guys are saying to build a base an wait to your older but most pros start when their young so it cant be to bad for the average person.

and i would like to think that i have elite genitics,im 5"11,87 kgs,5.8% bodyfat and 17 years old and have an nrl contract so i think my genetics are pretty elite.

That duznt mean you have elite genetics for using gear or bodybuilding you dont have to be big a muscular to have good genetics it depends on how you respond to training,dieting,Gear most pros before they started looked like little kids but when they began training they exploded and they knew that they had the potential to go big and made the choice to juice young and for the moste of them it payed off kinda and they got rich and famous but thea are alot of ppl who think juice is a wonder drug and it makes everyone HUGE I know a guy who is on 3000mgs a week of anabolics and has been for over 7 years and only weighs 105kg and then there are others who will take only 500mg a week once or twice a year and get better results but if you only 17 and you have the physique you say you do just train hard eat rite .

Oh and Go the TITANS hope they have a injury free season this Year LOL

[musclenz]

Generally its regarded in the BBing circle that gear is not a good option for most guys until 21+ & this has to do with linear growth, bone structure & density & hormone issues in the teen years. Personally, I dont think it should be an age thing, as some people have matured physically & mentally by say 19 years, where others may go well into their 20's before this occurs. Its reputed that Lee Priest started at age 14 years & that may well have impacted on his overall height, but he sure packed on some serious freaky size, but in the end his height (& his mouth )was his problem when up against the big guns.

[auck_builder]

shit, good on u bro.. u don t need roids at all mate, save them for post league career - unless theres ways around the tests :pfft: :pfft:

[mr natural]

I used to think that waiting and getting a base level of natural muscle first was a good idea but after seeing some of the younger guys on gear whist still in those growth years it seems as they get some amazing growth while the body is still in that "setting" stage.I think that at a younger age while the body is still maturing to adult hood i.e18-21 it responds the best to muscle growth as long as there is excess protein and cal's to build with.I think starting earlier with out some sort of estrogen suppressant is an extremly bad idea unless you want to be short as estrogen rises in youth causes bone growth plates to set and stop growing.

There is a few major disadvantages to going on from a young age. The main one i believe is not letting your testostorone system develop fully and suppressing it early on will/or could give you problems later on ie.HRT for the rest of your life.Your natural levels to not reach peak until mid 20's.Also is it worth it in the long run once steriods are stopped and the body has no natural levels to restore as the testostorone system has been damaged beond repair. All that muscle gain will rapidly disappear with out it.

Personally i don't think its worth it but different strokes for differnet folks.

[Flex]

Its reputed that Lee Priest started at age 14 years & that may well have impacted on his overall height, but he sure packed on some serious freaky size, but in the end his height (& his mouth )was his problem when up against the big guns.

What? Lee Priest was always short. Hence he was precribed growth hormone by his doctor in his early teens to try and help him grow. It didn't make him short.

[mr natural]

Its reputed that Lee Priest started at age 14 years & that may well have impacted on his overall height, but he sure packed on some serious freaky size, but in the end his height (& his mouth )was his problem when up against the big guns.

What? Lee Priest was always short. Hence he was precribed growth hormone by his doctor in his early teens to try and help him grow. It didn't make him short.

lol, probably by the same doctor that precribed him steroids in the first place :pfft:

[musclenz]

Its reputed that Lee Priest started at age 14 years & that may well have impacted on his overall height, but he sure packed on some serious freaky size, but in the end his height (& his mouth )was his problem when up against the big guns.

What? Lee Priest was always short. Hence he was precribed growth hormone by his doctor in his early teens to try and help him grow. It didn't make him short.

Yes all his family are around 5' so the story goes he was put on gh at an early stage in puberty. Thinkin he might have shortly followed that up with AAS cause the gh did not seem to be that helpful. 13yrs then 17yrs below

[Flex]

Yes all his family are around 5' so the story goes he was put on gh at an early stage in puberty. Thinkin he might have shortly followed that up with AAS cause the gh did not seem to be that helpful. 13yrs then 17yrs below

If you know all this why did you say that roids made him short?

[mr natural]

Its reputed that Lee Priest started at age 14 years & that may well have impacted on his overall height, but he sure packed on some serious freaky size, but in the end his height (& his mouth )was his problem when up against the big guns.

What? Lee Priest was always short. Hence he was precribed growth hormone by his doctor in his early teens to try and help him grow. It didn't make him short.

Yes all his family are around 5' so the story goes he was put on gh at an early stage in puberty. Thinkin he might have shortly followed that up with AAS cause the gh did not seem to be that helpful. 13yrs then 17yrs below

small man syndome maybe?if i can't be tall then i'm gonna be big.

you can't tell me that in the pic at 17 he's still natural flex,fuk for thats sake if he's takin gh at 13 can you say hes natural either?

i know personally at 17 i was still getting taller till i reach 21

[Flex]

small man syndome maybe?if i can't be tall then i'm gonna be big.

you can't tell me that in the pic at 17 he's still natural flex,fuk for thats sake if he's takin gh at 13 can you say hes natural either?

i know personally at 17 i was still getting taller till i reach 21

If your pituitary gland isn't producing GH and you use prescribed GH to replace what your body would normally produce then yes you would be natural. Would you call a diabetic bodybuilder a juicer because he had to use insulin shots each day?

[JamesR32GTR]

Build a base e.g learn to train and diet first before touching gear..get a good solid 5 years of lifting heavy weights under your belt ..early 20s is ok I guess.

Who told you Flex was 145pds when he started gassing?Also look at flex now,look at Tom Prince, Don Long I can type a whole list of names are there ailments related to steroid use ? no one knows but steroid and other drug abuse played a huge part in there downfalls..

Dont even think about comparing your self to the genetic elite either.

flex said himself in an interview. see this is what im saying, guys are saying to build a base an wait to your older but most pros start when their young so it cant be to bad for the average person.

and i would like to think that i have elite genitics,im 5"11,87 kgs,5.8% bodyfat and 17 years old and have an nrl contract so i think my genetics are pretty elite.

Sorry bro that doesnt mean you have elte genetics..elite = superior response to training , gear,diet..Full muscle bellys good insertions etc.

If you have 17 inch lean arms and they look 19inches then you know you have good full bellys , bodybuilding is visual not about what you weigh..

And how do you know you are 5.8%?

you are getting close to pro leaness and those guys sometimes end up on oxygen and IV drips for being so lean..

Olympic sprinters are around 10% are you leaner than them?

Guys that get up on stage in NZ and "claim" 6-8 % are proberly closer to a Genuine 10%..always make me laugh when guys claim BF levels and in reality are no where near it.

[mr natural]

well if your injecting it and your bodys not producing it what else do you call it muppet?? naturally he has very low levels so how can boosting it artifically be natural? sorry but uurrggg!

is that how you justify guys using gear to so called "normal" to high levels and calling themselves natural still????

[AlBundy]

What he means is it's bringing it up to average for his age group. Not natural but not in excess.