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[Ronin]

Good stuff bro.

I have to agree, once the initial rush of Sunday's first bowl of oats has been and gone, I don't notice any great energy boost from the carbup.

Have to ask too, how are you working the PB into your mince or Chook? Into the pan with it, or just a couple of spoons by itself once the animal has gone down?

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Good stuff bro.

I have to agree, once the initial rush of Sunday's first bowl of oats has been and gone, I don't notice any great energy boost from the carbup.

Have to ask too, how are you working the PB into your mince or Chook? Into the pan with it, or just a couple of spoons by itself once the animal has gone down?

bro, i just mix it up cold. cold chook +pb, mix it up, down the hatch! :twisted:

[Ronin]

^^^ I'll have to give it a shot

[AgentOrange]

geez yous are sick aw fulle aw bei

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i think 2200 cals is too low - im not back in keto yet, low energy, pathetic gym strength. gonna have to change up diet a bit. more pb.

[AgentOrange]

i think 2200 cals is too low - im not back in keto yet, low energy, pathetic gym strength. gonna have to change up diet a bit. more pb.

eeek hope your well

[Big john]

i think 2200 cals is too low - im not back in keto yet, low energy, pathetic gym strength. gonna have to change up diet a bit. more pb.

chicken con don bleu with PB as the filling and if thats no real talk enough fo yo ass, coat the outside of the chick in PB and maybe some lisa Kumara and pumpkin hummice :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[bar-belle]

i think 2200 cals is too low - im not back in keto yet, low energy, pathetic gym strength. gonna have to change up diet a bit. more pb.

I agree! I was gonna say I thought your cals were too low... I eat more than 2200 in a day :shifty: But in saying that your dedication to the cause is most impressive :nod:

countless bottles of choc milk, 1 pounders, bacon and pancakes,4-5 sausage egg mcmuffins for breakfast and half eaten tubs of ice cream left in my wake...not to mention booze too :pfft:

Uh and on a side note.. jeez Big John you are taking bulking to a whole new level :nod: ...you'll be a man mountain

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eeek hope your well

wtf, you been hanging around with tom too much brah

chicken con don bleu with PB as the filling and if thats no real talk enough fo yo ass, coat the outside of the chick in PB and maybe some lisa Kumara and pumpkin hummice :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

well my brotha-froma-notha-motha, kumara or crumb coating would kick me outa keto... but i like your style!

I agree! I was gonna say I thought your cals were too low... I eat more than 2200 in a day :shifty: But in saying that your dedication to the cause is most impressive :nod:

yea, ive been having some good fathoms on changing up diet, stay tuned for a detailed update next week...

[Optimass]

Hows the water going in? easy/hard to take. I think cleaning up your carb up will definately make for an easier recovery. Putting all those bulking carbs in for a day requires a shit load of fluid to process.

Adding more cals in should mean you can lower (shorten) your carb up. Is how I can get away with one or two carb meals end of week and still maintain some strength in my lifts.

Just remember - everytime you change something you want to keep a close eye on your keto levels. Prefer to only make changes over a fortnight so can make a more informed assesment of whats happening to me as the weight drops away.

IMO - you should be taking at least 4 - 5L water per day .... 5L on carb day to be sure. Will help with carb withdrawl the next day.

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Hows the water going in? easy/hard to take. I think cleaning up your carb up will definately make for an easier recovery. Putting all those bulking carbs in for a day requires a shit load of fluid to process.

Adding more cals in should mean you can lower (shorten) your carb up. Is how I can get away with one or two carb meals end of week and still maintain some strength in my lifts.

Just remember - everytime you change something you want to keep a close eye on your keto levels. Prefer to only make changes over a fortnight so can make a more informed assesment of whats happening to me as the weight drops away.

IMO - you should be taking at least 4 - 5L water per day .... 5L on carb day to be sure. Will help with carb withdrawl the next day.

i hadnt taken water into account, im having around 2.5 litres on rest days, 3.5 on train days. so i will increase my water intake....

and yep, my carbup this week will be ALOT cleaner, and have a decent amount of fibre.

almost finished nutting out new diet for next week, will calc it up over weekend and detail it here. cardio 2morrow a.m..

[steak]

[Optimass]

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update

today is refeed, and its actually gonna end up more like a 12hour refeed, as i didnt get to home/sleep till 130am this morn, so slept till about 9.30, did some shit, took a shot of whey and a litre of water, then hit up some chest/tris, and 20 mins cardio. did 30 mins a.m cardio yesterday. postworkout was

a shot of whey+50g glucose

then 2cups raw oats, p.p, 1/2 can creamed rice

then 2cups raw oats, p.p, 1/2 can creamed rice

next meal will be 2x wendys burgers, and last meal will likely be chicken toastie, or similar, with a LITTLE icecream.

be interesting whether i get back in keto faster with the tapered back carbup.

next weeks eating plan:

m1 5 eggs, 30g whole mayo

m2 100g chicken, 40g PB

m3 100g chicken, 40g PB

m4 180g tin tuna in oil, 20ml added EV olive oil

m5 100g chicken, 40g PB

m6 2 sausages, 15g pesto *see below*

**hellers do a few different sausages that are lower carb, im having lamb+rosemary ones, their profile is keto-worthy - high fat, adequate pro, and only 5g carbs per 100g, so 2 sausages =150g, so 7.5g carbs. the pesto bumps the fat up, and is fucken nice.

the above comes out to:

P185g - right where it needs to be

F213g - upped cals from last week, should be more energy, but still deficiet.

C21.7 - total, net carbs is about 14g, as fibre isnt digested as carbohydrate.

total - 2737cals

will see how this setup pans out.....

[steak]

my 3 girlfriends eat more calories each in a day

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my 3 girlfriends eat more calories each in a day

3? i thought there were 7 dwarves?

well, ive had about 8-10 hours sleep in the last 3 days, im barely fuctioning. as a flow on from this, im starting to get sick... my body always gives me warnings when im close to burnout, and i know better than to ignore them, as is my past experience. dosed up on vits today, may consider going back to the doc for some script sleep meds, but that is a last resort, only done it once. but will take at least a few days off training, and try and prehab my big crash..

[tinytraps]

Me old man takes them sleeping pills on occasion. knocks him out cold and mucks him round for a few hours after he wakes up.

Wheres all the training dude? too little food too little training

[AgentOrange]

:protest:

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Me old man takes them sleeping pills on occasion. knocks him out cold and mucks him round for a few hours after he wakes up.

Wheres all the training dude? too little food too little training

:protest:

sick as atm, no training this week. still sticking to keto, thought cal deficiet and manflu are a shit combo. interestingly, even though no training, was back in keto by tues night - so cleaner carbup was definitly the way to go! i summise that with the cleaner carbup, and some depletion training, will work well.

also, the gut seems to be getting smaller slowly.

[steak]

also, the gut seems to be getting smaller slowly.

along with the back, legs, arms and neck

cos .......

your eating like a

SPARROW

get well soon G

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also, the gut seems to be getting smaller slowly.

along with the back, legs, arms and neck

cos .......

your eating like a

SPARROW

get well soon G

i wanna be more lean than the leaning tower of pisa brah

interestingly, tested just now, deeper in keto than ever before!

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update

well def have manflu, but its on the way out for sure. despite no training this week, still hit keto earlier, and deeper. and to date guts is 4cm less than starting point, so the keto id seemingly working. Todays carbup:

m1 2 cups oats, p.p, 1/2 can cream rice, raisins

m2 same

m3 same

m4 same

m5 2 wendys burgers+shake

body has fullly adjusted now, i know cos i NEED to get my ass some psyllium husk :oops:

manflu's on the way out, hoping to hit the gym monday :pray:

[Big john]

update

well def have manflu, but its on the way out for sure. despite no training this week, still hit keto earlier, and deeper. and to date guts is 4cm less than starting point, so the keto id seemingly working. Todays carbup:

m1 2 cups oats, p.p, 1/2 can cream rice, raisins

m2 same

m3 same

m4 same

m5 2 wendys burgers+shake

body has fullly adjusted now, i know cos i NEED to get my ass some psyllium husk :oops:

manflu's on the way out, hoping to hit the gym monday :pray:

good to hear bro...get back out on the front lines :twisted:

[Ronin]

update

body has fullly adjusted now, i know cos i NEED to get my ass some psyllium husk :oops:

BTDT :cry:

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good to hear bro...get back out on the front lines :twisted:

cheers man, hoping to do some sqwatz when i come up to coast this sat, get some feedback from all you whoppers

BTDT :cry:

:pfft:

well feeling alot better today, resisted the urge to go today, but am definintly gonna train after work tommorow. gonna hit some legs/core, and alotta stretching and foam rolling. ive been procrastinating doing corrective stuff for my anterior tilt for too long, so ima start rehabbing it amongst my regular stretching...

anywhoo, this weeks goal is to hopefully be back in keto tommorow avo. heres the plan for the next 6 days, with no deviaitions at all. also water intake is slowly increasing, as is the amount of times i needa piss lol.

M1 5 eggs, 30g mayo

M2 100g chicken, 40g PB

m3 180g tuna in oil, 20g EV olive oil

m4 100g chicken, 40g PB

M5 100g chicken, 40g PB

M6 2 venison sausages, 30g pesto

heres what that shit looks like: