Coke Zero as good as water?

[Varven]

Water bro, your liver breaks down massive amounts of proteins and other stuff.. it needs water to work...

Go with green tea if you can... packed with antioxidants... increases your metabolism.. there are a gazillion studies on the health benefits of green tea.

Ever wondered why Asians have the LOWEST level of colo rectal cancer in the world? proven studies shows green tea has anti carcinogenic properties.

I go through 2 - 3litres of water and maybe a litre of green tea a day.

On a side note if I drank more than around 600 - 700ml of coke zero or diet coke a day, I get those devil farts.....

[Flex]

Do you really need to ask a question like that? Anyone that thinks coke zero (or anything that comes from the Coca Cola Company) is better than water is fooling themselves.

http://www.thezeromovement.org/

The ingredients (as written in bold) are listed on Australian cans of Coke Zero. Water anyone?

Carbonated water

Colour (150d) - aka "Sulphite Ammonia Caramel"

Food acid 338 - aka "Phosphoric Acid" (Also used for rust removal!)

Food acid 331 - aka "Sodium Citrates" (Also used in photography and as an anticoagulant of blood stored for transfusion!)

Flavour

Sweetener 951 - aka "Asapartame" (According to the US FDA, "the [National Cancer Institute] currently is studying aspartame and other dietary factors as part of a larger study of adult brain cancer." You might want to wait for the results before you drink it. Also, avoid this one if you're moody!)

Sweetener 950 - aka "Acesulfame Potassium" (Looking for reasons to avoid this sweetener? Look no further...)

Preservative 211 - aka "Sodium Benzoate" (Undiluted this stuff isn't too bad... Just don't let it touch your skin!)

Caffeine

Follow this link for the full links on the ingredients

http://www.thezeromovement.org/coke_zer ... ients.html

I sure as shit wouldn't be putting this into my body everyday.

[2guns]

ftw = for the win.... :? thats a new one to me

[2guns]

i drink a coke or a red bull or sumthign at least one every 2nd day b4 training

[laurasaur]

ftw = for the win.... :? thats a new one to me

yup for the win :pfft:

now I know who the rl geeks are...

[Pseudonym]

now I know who the rl geeks are...

O RLY? :wink:

[Varven]

now I know who the rl geeks are...

O RLY? :wink:

Pesudo, I beg to differ, O RLY wouldn't be classified as geek speak, rather it would be txt spk, IMHO.

[Matrix]

I enjoy Pepsi- Max and Diet Coke but do find the act as mild dieuretics, especially if I consume them in large quantities.

As a general rule I aim to empty at least 4 litres of water plus the amounts I use in my shakes each day.

If I add a 1.5 litre Pepsi-Max once in a while I do find that i'll pee more out than I take in.

This is more of an inconvienence than dangerous dehydration however as you can just drink more h20 to counteract the dieuretic effects.

The other thing with caffeine is timing, I find if I consume too much after about 3-4pm then I don't get to sleep easily, which is not good for cortisol levels and recouperation.

[weener lad]

A few months back I would have been all for anything with Aspartame in it. I queried sugar free RedBull on this forum and was promptly shot down and bombarded with evidence that artificial sweeteners are not good for you. So I looked into it further (and I suggest if you don't believe you do the same) and found just how bad this stuff is. Check out the links.

http://www.dorway.com/betty/ntsbmsg.txt

http://www.rense.com/general65/aspar.htm

and you will like this one, FDA wasn't going to approve Aspartame

http://www.dorway.com/badnews.html

[Agent]

A few months back I would have been all for anything with Aspartame in it. I queried sugar free RedBull on this forum and was promptly shot down and bombarded with evidence that artificial sweeteners are not good for you. So I looked into it further (and I suggest if you don't believe you do the same) and found just how bad this stuff is. Check out the links.

http://www.dorway.com/betty/ntsbmsg.txt

http://www.rense.com/general65/aspar.htm

and you will like this one, FDA wasn't going to approve Aspartame

http://www.dorway.com/badnews.html

There doesn't seem to be any science behind those websites, I can't see references to clinical studies current or otherwise, just some info attributed to some people with e-credentials.

That ww.rense.com site seems pretty crazy, total conspiracy theory site (the aliens are and zombies are coming etc), I can't tell if it's just taking the piss, it's pretty mad.

And the list of symptoms caused by aspartame are a list of claimed symptoms that the general public claim are caused by aspartame, not anything backed up with any studies.

Scientific claims require scientific evidence. nicksmith has posted a few good links with actual evidence behind the real effects rather than scaremongering, so until I see some science that says otherwise, I won't be believing all the urban myths surrounding aspartame.

[laurasaur]

now I know who the rl geeks are...

O RLY? :wink:

Pesudo, I beg to differ, O RLY wouldn't be classified as geek speak, rather it would be txt spk, IMHO.

nah, O RLY and YA RLY is pretty synonomous (?) with the internets

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_RLY%3F

[weener lad]

A few months back I would have been all for anything with Aspartame in it. I queried sugar free RedBull on this forum and was promptly shot down and bombarded with evidence that artificial sweeteners are not good for you. So I looked into it further (and I suggest if you don't believe you do the same) and found just how bad this stuff is. Check out the links.

http://www.dorway.com/betty/ntsbmsg.txt

http://www.rense.com/general65/aspar.htm

and you will like this one, FDA wasn't going to approve Aspartame

http://www.dorway.com/badnews.html[/quot

There doesn't seem to be any science behind those websites, I can't see references to clinical studies current or otherwise, just some info attributed to some people with e-credentials.

That ww.rense.com site seems pretty crazy, total conspiracy theory site (the aliens are and zombies are coming etc), I can't tell if it's just taking the piss, it's pretty mad.

And the list of symptoms caused by aspartame are a list of claimed symptoms that the general public claim are caused by aspartame, not anything backed up with any studies.

Scientific claims require scientific evidence. nicksmith has posted a few good links with actual evidence behind the real effects rather than scaremongering, so until I see some science that says otherwise, I won't be believing all the urban myths surrounding aspartame.

Yip fair enough those links are a tad wishy washy. :oops:

Below I have pasted the response FLEX posted in my sugar free Red Bull thread. Hopefully the links work.

Flex

"mmmm Aspartame, yummy. Give me the fully leaded version over diet version any day. I wouldn't touch aspartame with a very long and woody barge pushing pole. There certainly is a lot of scare mongering going on around aspartame but when something looks like shit and smells like shit it means it probably is.

Scientific proof eh, man I wish I was a scientist. I could get people to believe everything I say. It's lucky that scientists have time to study this stuff otherwise no one would believe anyone about anything.

Scientific proof that aspartame will kill you:

http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&sa ... arch&meta=

Diet Coke can Kill - Aspartame Documentary 1h 30min

http://hight3ch.com/post/diet-coke-can- ... -1h-30min/

New Cancer Study Obligates FDA To Recall Aspartame

"For 16 years FDA rejected aspartame because of brain tumors. Then Don Rumsfeld, CEO of G. D. Searle Co, went to Washington with Reagan and the next day his buddy Arthur Hayes was appointed FDA Commissioner. To avoid any action against aspartame by the outgoing Commissioner an executive freeze order was ordered by Ronald Reagan treacherously making him powerless till Hayes got to town. Reagan was a tragic Alzheimer's victim, a dread affliction aspartame invokes. It is rumored he was addicted to Equal, this brain eradicating neurotoxin, and memory loss is number 9 on your list of 92 symptoms, right under seizures, number 8.

Now Hayes approved aspartame over the objections of his own scientific Board of Inquiry. Searle was in money trouble until Hayes, Rumsfeld's stooge, opened the golden door. Hayes soon was under investigation for conflict-of-interest, so he escaped with a 10-year consulting contract from Searle's PR firm for a reported $1,000/day. Consultants don't need to show up for work; just answer questions on the phone" - http://www.rense.com/general69/assp.htm

I know you only wanted proof to show it would kill you and this one only shows it causes cancer but thought other people might be interested.

First Experimental Demonstration of the Multipotential Carcinogenic Effects

of Aspartame Administered in the Feed to Sprague-Dawley Rats

Morando Soffritti, Fiorella Belpoggi, Davide Degli Esposti, Luca Lambertini, Eva Tibaldi, and Anna Rigano

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picren ... obtype=pdf

Our study shows that Aspartame is a multipotential carcinogenic compound whose carcinogenic effects are evident even at a daily dose of 20 mg/kg bw, much less than the current ADI for humans in Europe (40 mg/kg bw) and in the United States (50 mg/kg bw).

The results of carcinogenicity bioassays in rodents are consistent predictors of human cancer risks (Huff 1999; Rall 1995; Tomatis et al. 1989). The results of our study therefore call for an urgent reexamination of the present guidelines on the use and consumption Aspartame carcinogenicity of APM. The decision to use experimental data to protect public health is important because the time span of widespread APM use is still too brief to have produced solid epidemiologic data. Moreover, it is unlikely that sufficient epidemiologic data will be available in the near future, given the difficulty of finding a control group that has not been exposed to this widely diffused compound."

[Agent]

Nice one, despite there being far more studies to show the safety of aspartame than possible risk (see http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez&artid=1797853 and http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez&artid=2430246 which point out flaws in the scientific study listed above), it's certainly not a silly idea to err on the side of caution if you're uncomfortable. It's always good to keep up on any further info that may come to light. While it appears to be of minimal risk compared to some of the scare tactics out there, it's appears it can hard to wade through which claims are fact and those that aren't.

Speaking of Flex's comments, funnily enough it's the ingredients he mentioned in coke zero that don't get much negative attention that seemed more concerning - the colours, food additives and preservatives. Interesting.

And in regards to the title of the topic, of course coke zero isn't as good as water, I think the human body is 60 - 70% water, not 60-70% coke zero!

The odd bottle every now and then though should be fine though.

[soundsgood]

And in regards to the title of the topic, of course coke zero isn't as good as water, I think the human body is 60 - 70% water, not 60-70% coke zero!

The odd bottle every now and then though should be fine though.

Yeah wasnt asking if coke zero was literally as good as water, just in the sense that was it okay to drink every now and again. And to be honest, after all this discussion Im still not sure :pfft:

I think I'll just stay off it

[kiwi28]

Is anyone using protein powders/bars containing artificial sweeteners as there are usually a few in the low carb/cal varieties?

[Pseudonym]

I know you only wanted proof to show it would kill you and this one only shows it causes cancer but thought other people might be interested.

That line is a beauty, Flex. I think you should have it as your signature. :pfft:

[Flex]

That line is a beauty, Flex. I think you should have it as your signature.

Good idea, might do that now.

[ohjoshua]

Coke Zero as "good" as water?

for the purpose of the statement does "good: mean good for health or good for bodybuilding or good for taste/satifsfaction.

Keep in mind different things are important to different people, where some people have goals of living as long as possible. For others it might be more important to acheive the physic they want.

Any way.....

For bodybuilding purposes as mentioned above coke zero acts as a diretic. Caffine also increases preformance in the gym allowing the user to stimulate more muscle growth. Finally Caffine help mobilse fatty acids into the blood stream making it a fat lose aid.

These three points make coke zero "gooder" than water.

Of course everything should be used in moderation including moderation itself.

lol.

[ohjoshua]

now I know who the rl geeks are...

O RLY? :wink:

Pesudo, I beg to differ, O RLY wouldn't be classified as geek speak, rather it would be txt spk, IMHO.

oh and this puts you into the geek category.

[in_the_making]

isnt coke like addictive too? one stage i was drinking a 1.5L bottle a day for 2 weeks but then relised it was real bda for me and stopped lol :roll:

[kiwi28]

isnt coke like addictive too? one stage i was drinking a 1.5L bottle a day for 2 weeks but then relised it was real bda for me and stopped lol :roll:

OMG! Your poor teeth!! Was it diet or normal coke, the acidity of both types is really bad but also the sugar in the normal one doubles the problem.

Look at this graph of diabetes and sugar consumption give me diet coke (only two amino acids we need in the body anyway) as an occasional drink or mixer any day over the real thing, I prefer my sugar in fruits etc where I can help it but that's just my opinion. I rarely drink juice either.

Enjoying this forum and the debate though!

Here's some interesting data I just found if anyone is interested

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/wp-c ... -graph.jpg

(yes I know physical activity decrease has to be considering amongst numerous other factors here also)

http://darwinstable.files.wordpress.com ... img002.jpg

[kiwi28]

isnt coke like addictive too? one stage i was drinking a 1.5L bottle a day for 2 weeks but then relised it was real bda for me and stopped lol :roll:

But the main thing is that you stopped!

"Big Ups to you, well done!" Breaking the Coke habit is really hard for some...

[orange]

Are isotonic sports drinks (poweraid) also bad for teeth?

[Flamer]

Are isotonic sports drinks (poweraid) also bad for teeth?

Ummmm, I dunno, what does a Google search tell you - that you'll have no teeth in 10 years? Seriously, do you live in a bubble?

[runveerun]

Yep my dentist said he gets lots of people in with tiny holes in their teeth just on the gumline he reckons from sports drinks like powerade as they are so acidic. All things in moderation, but somethings we really don't need to eat or drink at all like sugar laden drinks!!