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Luigi

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Luigi Veteran member

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yup lots of good advice ay.

hasnt changed my mind too much although think i will run a lower dose and have a good year after the cycle training naturally to try and maximise my potential a bit more - or is this pointless as once youv been on your natural potential goes out the window ?

Why did you just lose 7kg in 8weeks, thats alot of weight to lose on your frame isnt it?, and why would you have bloat if you are clean so far?

yes it sure is, feel tiny because of it, decided to cut because i felt too fat - started to get bloated belly, creatine does this too me, only monohydrate - other kinds seem to be fine :?

majority of the weight has been lost off me stoumach, and legs, they couldnt fit in my jeans anymore before and now they do with room to spare. but legs grow quickly when i up the carbs so not too worried, but yea learnt my lesson - dont try and cut fast..... wont be doing that again, and more importantly - its ok to carry a bit of extra bf% when bulking.

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For what it's worth, I've been told by an endocrinologist that guys' testosterone levels are "pretty robust".

I was talking to him about the use of letrozole to block estrogen production, and he was concerned about the recovery of estrogen levels post-treatment. By contrast, he suggested that suppressed testosterone levels tended to recover quite well.

That was probably only a passing generalisation though, so take it with a pinch of salt.

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yup lots of good advice ay.

hasnt changed my mind too much although think i will run a lower dose and have a good year after the cycle training naturally to try and maximise my potential a bit more - or is this pointless as once youv been on your natural potential goes out the window ?

I think once you've gone on you might struggle to put mass on in between cycles - most treat this as a period of minimising losses rather than maintaining or gaining mass.

My humble opinion is go hard with your training (find a training partner that goes hards & knows his shit!), eat truckloads, take good supplements, flag drinking & all night partying, and see what you can do over the next few months. Xmas is a crap time to be an angry test man anyway!!

If March rolls around and you're still convinced "on" is for you, make the call knowing the facts.

Just dont do it based on the perception that gear is the only way to get the results you are after, there are plenty of clean guys who are big, shredded, or freakishly strong. Just check out the likes of Derek Pomana (3x world PLing champ), Reuben Simanu (NZ biggest bencher), Nick & Jono (2007 & 2008 NZ Strongest Man), Daniel Hibbs (Mr NZ NZBB 2008), etc.

Nate

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yeah gear wont get you were you wana go bud just train natural for the next 25 years an youll be ready for olympia...

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Now if your going to make comments like that, at least have the sac to put your real name to it

I don't know Dan that well, but I know a LOT of gossip- the sport is rife, and when its proven is one thing, but to try and cheapen his accomplishment....low rent dude.

DAN is THE MAN

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yeah gear wont get you were you wana go bud just train natural for the next 25 years an youll be ready for olympia...

[MOD EDIT: This post breaches forum rules. Please read the terms and conditions you accepted on registration.]

Now if your going to make comments like that, at least have the sac to put your real name to it

I don't know Dan that well, but I know a LOT of gossip- the sport is rife, and when its proven is one thing, but to try and cheapen his accomplishment....low rent dude.

DAN is THE MAN

im not taking anything away from the guy i think what hes done is AWESOME but what ive heard is what ive heard. im not saying it would hold up in court its just interesting that people will toss peoples names round saying theyve never used but you hear some interesting things when you talk to other bodybuilders....

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So the consensus is train for another 30 years get a masters in endocinology (maybe a doctorate). then and only then can you consider the use of AAS.

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Pretty sure I said give it til March and see what progress he can make naturally......if I could put a kilo or two on in 3-4 months I would consider clean is still a good option!

3 months dont make 30 years Joshua! Please dont advise him on dosages Joshua, with your maths he'll either shrink or explode his liver within the first week!! :P

'nuff said from me on this topic Luigi.

Nate

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yeah gear wont get you were you wana go bud just train natural for the next 25 years an youll be ready for olympia...

[MOD EDIT: This post breaches forum rules. Please read the terms and conditions you accepted on registration.]

Now if your going to make comments like that, at least have the sac to put your real name to it

I don't know Dan that well, but I know a LOT of gossip- the sport is rife, and when its proven is one thing, but to try and cheapen his accomplishment....low rent dude.

DAN is THE MAN

im not taking anything away from the guy i think what hes done is AWESOME but what ive heard is what ive heard. im not saying it would hold up in court its just interesting that people will toss peoples names round saying theyve never used but you hear some interesting things when you talk to other bodybuilders....

I think you are taking away, he makes it pretty clear that he is a drug free bodybuilder and you are spreading rumours to the contrary. I know there is a lot of gossip, that doesn't make it true, until there is a level of proof then what is said between you and your mates is one thing, but publishing it on a public forum is a whole other level- where it can be read by friends, collegues, sponsors and potential employers.

You've questioned his integrity based on rumours without evidence...I can provide evidence he has been drug tested and have witnessed that myself. Until you KNOW different, then the rumour is invalid.

I'm sure if you had real proof, you'd have no qualms about putting your name to it wouldn't you?

If I seem hot about this-I am, I've been the target of drug failure rumours too after 2006, and I know what it feels like and it FUCKIN SUX.

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im not taking anything away from the guy i think what hes done is AWESOME but what ive heard is what ive heard. im not saying it would hold up in court its just interesting that people will toss peoples names round saying theyve never used but you hear some interesting things when you talk to other bodybuilders....

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look mate no! im not out to get the guy even if i had proof i wouldnt make it my mission to ruin his credibility! hes a great bodybuilder and ive got alot of respect for him. i didint think when i posted that comment, the point i was trying to make is be carefull when looking at so called natural athletes as a compass for what is attainable without the use of AAS. im putting this to bed an it wont be mentioned again. speculation and rumours thats the lot of a top bodybuilder i guess!

didnt mean to piss anyone off lets 4get it 4 now eh!

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Daniel has been the subject of drug rumours since he won the prestigious Mr Waikuku beach u 10yrs bodybuilding class in 1986. I remember hearing parents consoling their less talented and athletic children by saying Daniels parents put steroids in his weetbix. Perhaps some of those competitors are still in the bodybuilding scene? It was funny then, it is funny now.

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