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2guns Veteran member

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As Bluto says, where does that leave a 90 kilo guy on his second cycle....... maybe a gram of test, half a bottle of nandrolone & some insulin to break 95kg!!!!!!!

thats stupid exageration mate.

get real.

Then why do all these young tiny guys at the gym keep coming to me asking where to get this and where to get that to add to their cycle. And none of them even look like they use gear, none of them break 100kg???????????????

I met a guy 2weeks ago who told me he was upping his shots to every day because EOD wasnt doing much. He was barely 90kg and using 2ml shots at a time??????????????

Its crazy how many guys have fucked around with gear before they can even lift a half decent weight, none of them eat or train right.

i would look at it as a good thing $$$$

but seriously, there are ppl like that with everything not just gear, and i dnt know bro... u should ask them that question when they ask u for gear then ud know the answer but that would be dumb for sumone to do that coz then they would cough up ther cash :?

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Bluto, Nate, what you say is sensible, but how many "bb-ers" on here have the patience to wait and max out natural gains??? I see it as patience over logic... shit when I was 19 I had wet dreams of dbols and HGH vials jumping around, thank god I didnt get the stuff.

How many of these kids are willing to uptake their food intake from 3500 cal to 6000 cal over time and make sure they nail that food in every day, consistently??

How many of them are willing to pick one training style that is sensible and max it out ? Guys on here seem to swap training programmes every month... WTF is up with that?

How many of them are willing to let their body fat go a wee bit higher and compromise their abs come summer ? How many of them are willing to let themselves get shit strong and large and carry some body fat over a reasonably extended time and then eventually slowly cut body fat down ?

Time and again it is proven the guys with absolutely largest muscle mass are powerlifters. BB'ers seem to be soooo quick in pointing out that powerlifters look FAT (or skinny). That 80kg powerlifter benching 3x his bodyweight eats like a 75kg guy to stay in his weight class! That 140kg behemoth who benches over 300kg or whatever stays fat to get leverage around the joints!

Anyday, take a 100kg natural powerlifter, stick him on a body building diet to cut for a nice long 6 months and watch ... he will own the ass of a "natural-high volume, 3000 calorie eating body builder who changes his routine every 2 months to "shock his muscles".

Everyone wants to look like Arnie and Ronnie at 21 at 120kgs at a lean 5%body fat.

Ronnie was a powerlifter for YEARS!

R.C. had the SAME shape when he was a powerlifter as a body builder, just carried a bit more body fat.

What about dexter jackson? Pretty sure he was a powerlifter?

Besides I don't get what is the point of using AAS? to create an anabolic environment in your body right ? When you're 21 you should be anabolic enough ! Just up the goddamn calories with protein and you'll grow. Whats the point of not maximising on this before progressing to AAS ??????

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yea well thats why i wanted to do 400mg a week

and iv been training for around 4 years now - although only 2 seriously

diets pretty good i know how to eat.....

max lifts are 120kg bench 190kg dead and 170kg squat

ectomorph bodytype heaviest weight has been 92kg - around 2 months ago.

bf was more though / lots of bloat too.

do i think im at my natural potential ? no way.

but i dont want to wait another 5-10 years to reach that point - if i can.

in the end its my choice and im trying to make an informed decision and not just jump wildly into it so i can bloat up to 100kgs then lose all my gains when i come off, thats stupid. real stupid.

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First cycle should be 500mg TestE PW only. 2 shots of 1ml 250mg/ml.

No winny, no hcg (not necessary at that level really), definately no tren, nothing else. 1 compound that allows the body to see how it responds to increased testosterone levels. Diet & intense training will determine how lean the bulk will be. Then next cycle add in one more compound. Eq or Dbol would be my suggestion. Then cycle 3 add in another compound or two, now we are getting into maybe some winny inj for 4-5 weeks. Cycle four is tren time & so on. I also agree with Bluto, that natural growth potential has not been reached at 21yrs, 85kg, 5'11". Maybe 10kg heavier naturally, then hit the gear.

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this gay site??? LOL i always throught this was a bodybuilding site... it would explain few things...

Ive been to the doc recently and my reproductive system is in top working order... maybe im one of the ones that bounces back easily.

Balls normal, Still a horny bugger, test levels normal... I do wonder tho if this would be the case if im to continue doing cycles year in year out..

But i dont think you comments about doing it once and being prepared to be on for the rest of your life not completely accurate, based on my above comments..

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Bluto i didnt say everyone would be the same read my posts more closely mate. I said i had wondered if this would be the case if was to continue using gear year in year out... Also that maybe im one of the ones that bounces back easier than others (OTHERS) meaning i have left it open to interpritation.

no need to make snarky remarks that i should be a sceintist. You clearly know more than me so i'll just go back to my corner :D (not being smartarse you prob actually know alot more than me)

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Bluto's spot on Luigi.

The call is yours at the end of the day, just be sure you're ready to pay the piper! Of note I know several top level bodybuilders who didn't bounce back so well & can't have kids (even after specialist help and HCG courses).

I'm not saying it will happen to you, or even that you will crash hard after coming off, just that it's a possibility you need to consider.

Make the call based on scientific fact & how bad you want that muscle right now. Given you're not going to be 21 forever you might wanna consider future pain vs current gain - Two Guns might even offer to help you freeze your sperm if you wanna have kids, although his saliva might kill any swimmers you've got!!! :pfft:

Nate

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