HCG

[keats]

Is HCG still available in New Zealand? Medsafe have the product PROFASI but not sure if there data is up-to-date and if its available on script. I know of a clinic that had it but have heard that has since closed down.

[samoan_muscle]

Ive been trying to get my hands on some for ages...almost impossible to obtain these days.

[keats]

It is available on prescription, off to doc tomorrow, will post results

[keats]

Pregnyl is available in NZ, in either 1000iu or 5000iu sizes. Obviously going for the 5000iu vials.

[mr natural]

did the doctor prescribe you any?

[keats]

Just got back, told doc about products I have taken and what I need and she had no idea, had to call a colleague of hers to get info, sadly the one she called said not to give anything. Gave her all info on what I need and how it works but she had no clue.

Going to see another to see if they can help.

[Varven]

I hear the situation is worse here in Aus, just nothing available. Don't know how true this anecdotal evidence is...

I've heard stories of ppl starting their cycle without any PCT, because they just can't get any...

[auck_builder]

why do u need HCG? cant u just use nova? is it vital to use it?

[keats]

Gonna stick to Nolva and Clomid, just good to have hcg to help regain test size for production

[Varven]

why do u need HCG? cant u just use nova? is it vital to use it?

Check out my other post on HCG

[keats]

Ok so I have now been to 3 doctors explaining my situation, taking in blood tests and saying I want Hcg. All docs have looked at me like "wtf I dont even know what Hcg is!" Explained to them all what it is, how it works and why I need it. None of them have helped (even with blood test results!).

Interestingly enough, I decided to see how easy it is to get their run of the mill products they love to prescribe, so I said, "well, im also feeling stressed", within 30 seconds I had a prescription in my hand for lorezapam. One of the most addictive sedatives on the planet! However when it comes to Hcg, completely safe with no known side effects they wont go near it. Just shows how fucked doctors really are.

[keats]

Oh yea and Lorezapam is one of the drugs that helped kill Heath Ledger. Strange how you can give that by the bucketload and Hcg (nice and safe) is a complete no-no.

[mr natural]

yeah makes you wonder about doctors, makes em look like pharamacists and not diagnostic type health providers.

[2guns]

I've heard stories of ppl starting their cycle without any PCT, because they just can't get any...

this is quite common, do u live under a rock?

[Cronus]

I haven't bothered using traditional PCT for my last three cycles. Have been using statis method instead. At the end of cycle I take 1ml (100mg) Test prop/week split into 7 daily doses for six weeks (about 14mg ED). I then drop this by 0.2ml/week for the next 4 weeks. This has worked for me better than any PCT I have tried, and have kept 90 95% of my mass and strength gains as well as full nads and no post cycle slump.

Goes like this..

Week 1-6 0.14ml ED

week7 0.11ml ED

week8 0.08 ml ED

etc...

[auck_builder]

im doing 100mg - 50mg twice a week, .25test .25 masteron E. for 6 weeks then decreasing. spose i could do ED but fark so many inj

[musclenz]

Ok so I have now been to 3 doctors explaining my situation, taking in blood tests and saying I want Hcg. All docs have looked at me like "wtf I dont even know what Hcg is!" Explained to them all what it is, how it works and why I need it. None of them have helped (even with blood test results!).

Interestingly enough, I decided to see how easy it is to get their run of the mill products they love to prescribe, so I said, "well, im also feeling stressed", within 30 seconds I had a prescription in my hand for lorezapam. One of the most addictive sedatives on the planet! However when it comes to Hcg, completely safe with no known side effects they wont go near it. Just shows how fucked doctors really are.

Very nice work Keats going to all that trouble to help keep your sac in place :grin: However, it is not ethical for doctors to prescribe Hcg to male patients as its mainly used by females in the early stages of pregnancy to stimulate progesterone (that shitty stuff that we male BBers hate in our bodies) & keep the fetus growing etc. Some women with low levels need a jab or two to get them going on their own.

[mr natural]

haha, doctors don't have ethic's from my veiw point,they only do things if they think there arse is covered.

[keats]

haha, doctors don't have ethic's from my veiw point,they only do things if they think there arse is covered.

Good point mate. If they dont know about it they wont give it.

[ohjoshua]

You are prob pretty big. They will judge you and say your condition (low test) as self inflicted.

But,

If you think about it most conditions are 'self inflicted' to some extent.

Lung cancer: smoking etc Dramaticly increase the risk (DIR)

Heart attack: Lack of nutrition, lack of exercise etc DIR.

car crash: Alcohol, speeding etc DIR

Limb injury: Sports, lack of conditioning etc DIR

..........many more

So its is Bs that that treat you like this.

[Bluto]

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[2guns]

wats a cycle? lol i thought we were all still on our first :pfft:

but seriously, good question.

[auck_builder]

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[musclenz]

Edited

[musclenz]

here is a read on how im doing my taper:

This is the protocol:

Following the cycle use a 4-6 week waiting period also refered to as 'stasis period' by somebody.

4 weeks if you are using esters such as propinate.

esters such as cypionate and enanthate are in the middle - 4-6 week waiting period - your decision as it is a tough call. I prefer more weeks then less.

6 week waiting period for esters such as decanoate -i.e. deca.

During the waiting period you should taper off any aromatase inhibitors you are using - basically get rid of all drugs in your system besides testosterone.

Once the waiting period is over, then gradually reduce the dose weekly for 6 weeks untill you are off.

I preffer injecting enanthate twice per week as my ester of choice. But you can use propinate or sustenon as well, just devide it into 3 doses per week.

Once the taper starts, that is around the time you would start using a serm if you are going to use one.

You can taper without a serm and still be successfull doing so.

the research showed no hpta suppression while using a serm and low dose testosterone - 100mg per week

It also showed no hpta suppression with no serm use while using 25mg of testosterone enanthate per week.

So as i said it is possible to taper with our without a serm successfully.

If you are using HCG during the cycle to maintain testicular size and function - you must stop HCG at the end of your cycle and by hcg free throughout the waiting period.

So to put it all together using testosterone enanthatate dose split into biweekly injections:

Cycle ends, stop hcg if using,

start Waiting peroid:

Week 1-6 or 1-4: Test E 100mg per week

Taper off Arimidex or femara fully by week 3

Taper phase:

week 1-6

mg/ week: 80mg / 60mg/ 50mg/ 40mg/ 30 mg/ 20mg.

Start your Serm (nolva or clomid) at the begining of the taper if you choose to do so.

If you decide to use Masteron,

Then you use 50mg Test E, and 50mg Masteron E per week or masteron prop, with test prop for the waiting period, and keep the ratio the same as you taper down as well (1:1, with the starting totol mg amount 100mg).

No Serm use is needed and i have found libido to be even better when using this mix.

the masteron acts as an anti E, and the DHT enhances libido. The masteron itself at that amount does not subtract from hpta function more than it adds libido enhance ment, and estrogen control.

The masteron is the only drug that i have found to fit the bill perfectly for this purpose, but you can try aromasis as well, but I don't think it would have the same positive effects on libido.

As for using other drugs during your pct that may enhance workouts and maintain size...

there are a wide variety of supplements out there that have no negative effect on the hpta.

As for other drugs, some options would be:

IGF, MGF, HGH....

Clenbutoral,

and Insulin which I highly do not recommend.

i think you can go straight back into a cycle as soon as your taper is finished... as your natural levels would of kicked back in by then... could be wrong...

Mate, have you used this protocol before? IMO, I would suggest that this is just a form of TRT & amounts to a bridge between cycles. If you are injecting even small amounts of Test you will be still suppressing the HPTA. Proviron & Masteron will do the same although their action with the AR can help to reduce estrogenic activity. Can you link me to the site that you got this information from?