doctor will prescribe gear for.....

[Bigboy]

The question is "what will a doctor prescribe gear for"...

answer:

Cash !

[chchardgainer]

yea.... the more cash the better the gear too i imagine.

[2guns]

The question is "what will a doctor prescribe gear for"...

answer:

Cash !

wtf? :pfft:

[al-ex]

hey! we have doctors like that here in the uk, they are called private doctors, they are not allowed to treat NHS patients, only those that pay and pay quite a bit.

[mike-311]

The answer maybe Asthma

Clenbuternol and Ventolin ( salbutamol )

Both are definitely anabolic and the ventolin would be a lot easier to come by.

However I am unsure of the side effects in non asthmatics or what the dosage would be, I personally use a 200dose 1000 mcg Salbutamol inhaler, but only for asthma as I dont personally believe in needing steroids to improve my physique.

However in saying that in times of bad asthma periods and when I have used the Ventolin more often there has been a very definite anabolic change to my physical appearance.

On learning about my asthma Meds in an effort to better understand the disease that has nearly put me to death twice in just over a year, I have found a lot of information backing up my claims.

At first I thought possibly only at a small scale, and the dosage being far to small to make a difference.

But it has only been in the past 3 years of me bodybuilding that I have come to realise that it has a much more dramatic effect on the human muscular make up, in terms of rapid growth.

And the information I have been able to dig up has backed this up, also with testimonials from others who have discovered its positive applications in BB.

However be very careful what you do take as some Asthma meds, are Corticosteroid although are classed as steroids are actually Catabolic (ie prednisone)

Before you dismiss my findings, I seriously suggest you research this further for your selves

if I'm right you can buy it all straight of your asthmatic mate :twisted:

[al-ex]

Hi,

thanks for the headsup, I have used Clen (albeit a long time ago) , the gains are lean and can cause muscle cramps as it also increases the T3 receptors in the muscle which in turn rip the fat out of the muscle. When you look at a steak its kinda marbled with thin lines of fat, then when you look a steak off of a cow raised on clen (this is how bodybuilders found out about it) there is no fat just lean meat.

My gains were nothing to write about but maybe its just not for me. i am a particularly hard gainer even on gear!

Alex

[mike-311]

Hi,

thanks for the headsup, I have used Clen (albeit a long time ago) , the gains are lean and can cause muscle cramps as it also increases the T3 receptors in the muscle which in turn rip the fat out of the muscle. When you look at a steak its kinda marbled with thin lines of fat, then when you look a steak off of a cow raised on clen (this is how bodybuilders found out about it) there is no fat just lean meat.

My gains were nothing to write about but maybe its just not for me. i am a particularly hard gainer even on gear!

Alex

Yes I was wondering about that and I have heard that said before.

It is stated that most Asthma meds are only ever trail and for very long periods of time, due to the fact that they are only effective in certain DNA make up. thus some meds can actually cause an Asthmatic, Asthma symtems or do nothing at all.

Which is also why there is such a wide veriety of them.

I was Born an Asthmatic in the mid 70's when almost all asthma meds contained very high levels of steriodal compounds. I was addmitted to Hospital twice as an infant and put on very large quantities of it especially Ventolin. I have taken a verying type of Med all my life since then, but have always had Ventolin.

I think that may also hold the key to my fast development, I reached puberty earlier, had growth spurts faster, grew hair in manly places including chest etc as a teenager at a much younger age then the others.

So it only stands to reason as far as muscle development goes that I be kinda like Oblix in the Asterix comics I fell in the pot of magic potion as a baby. MAYBE...LOL :?

I dont know for sure if that is the case, but its the only thing I can put my finger on.

[2guns]

i am a particularly hard gainer even on gear!

eat more and take more

[al-ex]

yeah one of those points could be right 2guns as i do tend to not eat as much as i am meant to, feels like i diet year round sometimes and other times i eat for england. but i am still hard gainer, it takes a crazy amount of gear to reach hypertrophy alone let alone gains.

later dudes

[2guns]

it takes a crazy amount of gear to reach hypertrophy alone let alone gains

yea well thats just the way it is, some have to use loads

[Bigboy]

I don't know about the anabolic qualities of Corticosteroid particualrly for asthma. I have taken ventolin since I was 5, and I am now nearly 40 - and sure as hell don't have an anabolic effect from ventolin nor any other asthma medication -of whcih I have taken quite a lot, particualrly when I was younger.

Corticosteroids, really are anit-inflamatories. Over dosing on ventonlin etc., I think you would have more chnace of high blood pressure and even heart damage than any anabolic effect occurring.

I don't think form personal experience that the effects of any asthma medication can be compared with results, and even physcial and mental feeling of being on gear!

[al-ex]

Quite right BB as its name implies "cortico" which is the opposite of anabolic (which is catabolic) as in cortisol and cortisone, they break things down not build them up.

Clenbuterol however, is meant to increase the number of fast twitch fibers (fast twitch being the ones that lift heavy things)

later

[Bigboy]

May be that is the case, however, to be perfeectly honest, fast twitch vs slow-twitch muscle really a function of the type of body one has. Body type will be the pominent factor here no doubt.

[mike-311]

I don't know about the anabolic qualities of Corticosteroid particularly for asthma. I have taken ventolin since I was 5, and I am now nearly 40 - and sure as hell don't have an anabolic effect from ventolin nor any other asthma medication -of whcih I have taken quite a lot, particualrly when I was younger.

Corticosteroids, really are anit-inflamatories. Over dosing on ventonlin etc., I think you would have more chnace of high blood pressure and even heart damage than any anabolic effect occurring.

I don't think form personal experience that the effects of any asthma medication can be compared with results, and even physical and mental feeling of being on gear!

Ventolin is not a Corticosteroid

Neither is Clen

Inhalers like Flexotide and pills such as Prednsone are, and in large quantities or over a long period of time are muscle waisting.

Clen is the most effective and was very popular in the states amongst BB until it was banned and made illegal classed as an anabolic steroid.

Ventolin tho not as effective if taken in certain proportions does have an anabolic effect, not all metabolisms are the same so not everyone responsed to it.

Taking it 2 to 3 time's daily as prescribed since you were five aint gonna do shit.

However Ventolin Sabutimol in liquid form taken in a different way could be the answer.

Im still finding out much of the facts on Ventolin, But CLEN has definitely been used and abused in the BB circuit.

[mike-311]

May be that is the case, however, to be perfeectly honest, fast twitch vs slow-twitch muscle really a function of the type of body one has. Body type will be the pominent factor here no doubt.

I have to agree with 2guns

eat more and take more

[2guns]

I have to agree with 2guns

eat more and take more

i put the important bit first, incase u didnt notice

[diamond]

I have to agree with 2guns

eat more and take more

i put the important bit first, incase u didnt notice

lol

[al-ex]

Genetics may play a part in the ratio of fast to slow twitch fibers in any one given person, however, we can change our ratio now as we have learned, so its not all bad.

As for the Eat More Take More Gear, if one eats less then they will put on less mass, however, equally more likely to maintain a greater percentage of the mass after the cycle as they will have less bloat from the start.

[2guns]

however, equally more likely to maintain a greater percentage of the mass after the cycle as they will have less bloat from the start.

i cant agree really, though i could be wrong.. would u care to explain abit more into how u come up with this theory?

[al-ex]

When we do a cycle and eat like its going out of fashion we without a doubt put on the most weight,however, its not all lean weight (generally) as it is made up of extra water being held in the muscle due to the extra glycogen storage and extra water being held in the "extra" fat that we are now carrying. When you eat carefully and keeps fats down you tend to put on a leaner weight agreed. So when your heavy eating cycle is over you lose more water and therefore more size and strength caused by the extra water in the muscle giving the extra leverage (apparent strength) and then you also lose some size caused by the oedema from aromatization. Therefore eating carefully and using less gear should always (in theory at least) give you a leaner gain that you will keep a greater percentage of, even if you don't actually keep any more muscle size than the heavy eater, your loss will be less as he has added a further 10lbs to his weight in the first place which you havent that is made up of the fat and oedema etc. Remember, when we bulk up we actually add muscle internally to the muscle as well as what we see on the outside, which helps to give a bigger muscle and again more leverage and as with hypertrophy from glycogen you also get the constant stretch of the facial tissue which helps alot when it comes to building size (lets not forget Parillo's techniques and how effective they were!).

On the Clen - if memory serves (as its been 18/19 years since my last cycle of clen - i think i read that it can cause a heart rythm problem in some)

gotta run - im as busy as a blue arsed fly lately due to coming to NZ!!!

Yeah Baby!