Ability to utilise protein.

[SamWelly]

Hey guys,

Was just wondering what level of protien that the body can absorb on a daily basis in the synthesis of muscle gain.

In other words, at what point are you pouring your money down the drain by over doing the expensive cuts of meat and protein shakes.

I am currently at 112kg, consuming 330-430 grams of protein a day. This is on the basis I need 3-4grams per KG of body mass.

This is derived mainly from Chicken Breasts and Scotch Fillet (around 800 grams a day combined), and 15-20 egg whites (with the occasional yolk).

I have ballooned a lot lately in both strength and size so I am guessing I may have had a protein deficit until recently?

Thoughts?

[nzmusclemonster]

In my opinion 2 grams per kg a day is more than enough. My advice would be to up the carbs rather than protein.

A few things to consider:

With that much protein you run the risk of fucking with your internals, esp kidney.

If you you are going to stick with that much protein make sure you get a shitload of Vitiman B so you can metabolize it or you just gonna have expensive wee wees.

[SamWelly]

I had a meeting with the doctor today, and I'm getting a blood test done this arvo. Will include test levels, growth hormone levels, liver condition, Electrolytes, Lipids etc etc...

Should give me an idea of how I am doing.

How has your progress been so far on a far lesser amount of protein? I find I don't get DOM's nearly as bad when I take an increased amount.

[nzmusclemonster]

200-250 grams per day is still a shit load, i'd hardly call it a lesser amount. I hate getting over 10% bodyfat, I got bulk taking more protein but once you consume too much it will store as fat. 400 grams per day leads me to believe you might be having some special "supplements" to help you assimilate that much.....

BTW let us know how you go in the test level test you get done... My doc said I had one of the highest he'd seen (for a natural)... average is between 9-24 on the scale.... mine 31 8)

[IronGame]

I would stay around where your at protein wise, and I call bullshit to that amount of protein doing any dammage what so ever.

[SamWelly]

Cheers guys.

And, No, I'm clean. Hence the test check on the blood results - Some seem to have convinced themselves I am on the Juice :roll:

What gains have you had at 2grams per KG?

I'm just interested as to the results your getting, as that is all that matters (aside from health complications obviously).

[nzmusclemonster]

Ive had great gains on 2 grams..... If you ask around that is the bench mark most bodybuilders would go by for protein intake. How long do you plan on taking 4 grams per kg?

[SamWelly]

Until I reach 120kg at 10%.

So 3-4 years I hope.

[nzmusclemonster]

Thats a lot of food chief.... How much is your grocery bill a week?

[IronGame]

Ive had great gains on 2 grams..... If you ask around that is the bench mark most bodybuilders would go by for protein intake. How long do you plan on taking 4 grams per kg?

Are we talking about figure girls here? come on how many 220lb pro bodybuilders state there daily protein intake at 200gm??? none!

[SamWelly]

NZMM. Probably around $250-280 a week on food and powders. :oops:

[nzmusclemonster]

Ive had great gains on 2 grams..... If you ask around that is the bench mark most bodybuilders would go by for protein intake. How long do you plan on taking 4 grams per kg?

Are we talking about figure girls here? come on how many 220lb pro bodybuilders state there daily protein intake at 200gm??? none!

I never mentioned pro bodybuilders.... They have juice to help them take in all that protein. For Joe Natural 200 grams is fine.

[nzmusclemonster]

NZMM. Probably around $250-280 a week on food and powders. :oops:

Joooises :shock:

Les Mills must be payin' you well!!

[Cammo]

What gains have you had at 2grams per KG?

This is really a bit of a silly question - gains depend on so much more than just how much protein you're consuming each day.

Rest, routine, carbs, fats etc, etc... all play their part.

[Sheta]

Get your kidney function checked aswell. People with kidney issues should stay away from high protien diets.

Whats the ratio of carbs n fat with the protein you are eating???

I myself eat around 180-200gms of protein per day which makes up approx 60% of my calories.

[2guns]

sheta, do u do nutrition plans for comps?

[nzmusclemonster]

Carbs has become a dirty word in this day and age, but manipulated rightly they can make a huge difference.... Very underestimated in bodybuilding, everyone is only concearned about getting enough protein

[SamWelly]

An average day involves...

800 grams of Chicken and steak, 15-20 egg whites, 2 biggg bowls of rice, 2 bananas, 3 double size protein shakes, a bowl of oats with peaches, a chicken sandwich, 1-2 broccoli heads, couple of slices of grainy toast or pasta. Snack on brazil nuts and unsalted peanuts thru the day.

Thoughts?

[chchardgainer]

iv always read you need 1g protein per pound of bodyweight for maintanence.... 110 kg = 240g protein so to grow i would think you would need 300g plus a day at your weight i think the amount your taking is fine since your not storing it as fat....

reading a article in a bb mag where the guy takes 900g a day :shock: :shock: pretty insane but he would on some very special sauce as well.

[2guns]

everyone is only concearned about getting enough protein

i wouldnt say everyone

[SamWelly]

There seem to be a lot of assumptions on this Forum

Carbs are the easy part - You get hungry or tired and you up the carbs and fats. Protein is the unknown, although my muscles start to ache if I dont have enough in my diet!

Thanks for the help guys. I'm going to keep the intake at the levels I have been I as I am making good progress and its worth the $ - Even if some of it is turned into carbs.

[IronGame]

There seem to be a lot of assumptions on this Forum

Carbs are the easy part - You get hungry or tired and you up the carbs and fats. Protein is the unknown, although my muscles start to ache if I dont have enough in my diet!

Thanks for the help guys. I'm going to keep the intake at the levels I have been I as I am making good progress and its worth the $ - Even if some of it is turned into carbs.

Thats the only to do it mate, if it aint broke dont fix it,

P.S. protein cannot turn in to carbs tho

[Flex]

P.S. protein cannot turn in to carbs tho

Yes protein can be turned into carbs - glucose. If you eat a high amount of protein it can be deaminated and converted to glucose to be used for energy by the brain etc or converted to fat.

[IronGame]

P.S. protein cannot turn in to carbs tho

Yes protein can be turned into carbs - glucose. If you eat a high amount of protein it can be deaminated and converted to glucose to be used for energy by the brain etc or converted to fat.

This can be debated either way, but i dont believe it is converted at a large enough rate to be taken in to consideration, and doesn't seem to cause an insulin responce.

http://journal.diabetes.org/diabetesspe ... /pg132.htm

[Dumbelldog]

P.S. protein cannot turn in to carbs tho

Yes protein can be turned into carbs - glucose. If you eat a high amount of protein it can be deaminated and converted to glucose to be used for energy by the brain etc or converted to fat.

This can be debated either way, but i dont believe it is converted at a large enough rate to be taken in to consideration, and doesn't seem to cause an insulin responce.

http://journal.diabetes.org/diabetesspe ... /pg132.htm

I agree.