Mike Zero Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 I'm looking into purchasing some fat burners, what gives the best fat burning for money. There's so much stuff, fat burners/metabolisers, CLA. I'm thinking of just going for the basic Caffeine pills, is this a good idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_J Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Hot rox and EAS thermodynamx are ones that i have tryed.. im sure they work well altho i dont know how well as i have never done my diet and cardio for a comp without them so not sure.. but bro its a waste of $$ if ur jst gna eat shit and not do cardio so think bout that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Zero Posted October 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 but bro its a waste of $$ if ur jst gna eat shit and not do cardio so think bout thatNah bro, I'm not. I'm gunna drop about 4-5kgs of fat with diet and cardio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottHenry Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Its gettin up to beach season isnt it mikey so u gotta get ripped for the ladies haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUSCLEROIDS Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 The best fat burner is ephedrine and thats if you can get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fudoc5 Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 The best fat burner is ephedrine and thats if you can get it.agreed, its not available here,and ive tried to buy them from bb.com but customs took them away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 The best fat burner is ephedrine and thats if you can get it.The best fat burner is exercise. Ephedrine's nice but only if you have a local drug dealer you can get it off and don't mind running the risk of being caught with a Class C drug.MZ- You should be able to lose 4-5kg fat just through your diet and exercise, however if you need to use something to speed it up, go with a decent stimulant based thermogenic. Most of the good ones will get pretty much the same end results as long as you don't buy some cheap nasty thing from the supermarket or healthstore.I wouldn't bother with CLA - too expensive and most people won't notice too much unless your diet is really tight and you're already pretty lean.Caffiene is alright but isn't going to help you set any major records for weight loss.L-carnitine might help, and is most beneficial on a really low calorie diet. You need to use much higher doses than what is recommended on the container though. NZ labelling laws only allow a max dose of something like 500mg which aint going to do jack. You really need at least 2 to 3g a serve for it to give any noticable effect. This makes most l-carnitine supps a little uneconomical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyndon Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 save your money , low carb and black coffee/green tea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudonym Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Just how effective is green tea?I recently bought a large box of 100 teabags from my local Chinese supermarket for about $4. I felt pretty pleased with myself at the time, but unfortunately the taste is utterly vile.I think I need someone to tell me that green tea is super-effective at fat loss so I can force myself to drink it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-ex Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 Green tea did nothing for my partner, but when she tried Black Tea (which is a stronger (%157 stronger) version of green tea - if you look it up the net you will see the story behind it) the effect was very different, she shed a lot of water that she was holding and it has not come back. Beware though as it goes under the name of Wu Long or OOLONG - many yanks etc are selling it online at stupid prices,however, on ebay uk there is a guy who sells it really cheap, which is where i found it. As for ephedrine, being a class c drug (which im guessing is bad right?) can you not grow your own (i think it grows at high altitude only - so a mountain would be handy) or for example what if someone was to send it to you in say a sealed multi-vit tub? would it make it through customs? surely they only look at the outside? they wouldnt send it off to be analysed right? just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 I mix 5 green tea bags in about 1.5L of water, leave it overnight & then drink it cold. I notice a thermo effect from this.al-ex - up to you if you want to risk it bro. I would say there is a high likelihood that it would be checked. Ephedrine is a big no-no in NZ at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottHenry Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 You can buy green tea capsules from health stores Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-ex Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Hey Marcus, i don't know if i would risk anything as yet, i was just suggesting a possible way around a problem. As for the Green tea thermo effect, trust me it feels 10 fold on the black tea - its well worth a try - metabolism goes through the roof. I have had it cold from the fridge (what i call the korean way as it was a korean friend that first showed me that that was what they all did) but now i have found that i prefer it hot and with some lemon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyndon Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 party pills or lithium :pfft: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Zero Posted December 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 I would say there is a high likelihood that it would be checked. Ephedrine is a big no-no in NZ at the moment.Why is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Because it is a ingredient in manufacturing P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyndon Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Hey Marcus, i don't know if i would risk anything as yet, i was just suggesting a possible way around a problem. As for the Green tea thermo effect, trust me it feels 10 fold on the black tea - its well worth a try - metabolism goes through the roof. I have had it cold from the fridge (what i call the korean way as it was a korean friend that first showed me that that was what they all did) but now i have found that i prefer it hot and with some lemon.will have to give a try as ive never had ANY 'effect' no matter how many cups of green tea i used to drink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheta Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Xenadrine Super Hard Core seems pretty good....a few of my clients are taking it and are happy campers!90 Capsules Supplement Facts Serving Size2Capsules Servings Per Container45 Amount Per Serving % Daily Value Ephenylide™Proprietary Thermogenic & Nootrogenic Factors†1300mg * (From Blue/green Algae (Aphanizomenon Flos-Aquae (AFA))(Containingphenylethylamine), Brown Algae (Cystoseira Canariensis), Wakame Leaf (Undaria Pinnatifida), Green Tea Leaf Extract (Containing EGCG, L-Theanine, Caffeine), Oolong Tea Leaf (Containing Caffeine), Chocolate Seed Extract (Containing Theobromine, Theophylline, Tyramine), Guarana Berry Extract )containing Caffeine), Yerba Mate Leaf Extract (Containing Caffeine), Caffeine (Natural Infused), Fermented Sage Leaf Extract, L-Tyrosine, Yohimbine Alkaloids, Vinpocetine, Huperzine A, Sodium Copper Chlorophyllin) Total Caffeine 360mg * * Daily Value not established Other Ingredients Tribasic Calcium Phosphate, Magnesium Stearate(Vegetable Source), Gelatin, Titanium Dioxide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truds Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 I'd recommend green tea capsules as they're way stronger than green tea bags. If I can't afford the dosh for a decent fat burner I usually have (before AM cardio - on empty stomach) - strong black coffee, l-carnitine, green tea caps and 3-4 caffeine tablets (approx 50g caffeine per tab I think). Usually about 20-30 minutes before cardio. This is usually only in the last 8-10 weeks prior to contest though. If it's just for general fat loss, you should be able to manipulate your diet/exercise enough to drop the weight.The only fatburners I've had decent results with are Hydroxycut (standard/hardcore), Xenadrine and Dialene (Scivation). Dialene is quite new, not sure if you can get in NZ yet? But it's safe for naturals if you're in a tested federation.I've heard good things about Hot Rox too, but unfortunately 'cos I'm a tested athlete I can't take it.xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbelldog Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Hey Marcus, i don't know if i would risk anything as yet, i was just suggesting a possible way around a problem. As for the Green tea thermo effect, trust me it feels 10 fold on the black tea - its well worth a try - metabolism goes through the roof. I have had it cold from the fridge (what i call the korean way as it was a korean friend that first showed me that that was what they all did) but now i have found that i prefer it hot and with some lemon.Interesting info Alex, cheers for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamfatboy Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 I'd recommend green tea capsules as they're way stronger than green tea bags. If I can't afford the dosh for a decent fat burner I usually have (before AM cardio - on empty stomach) - strong black coffee, l-carnitine, green tea caps and 3-4 caffeine tablets (approx 50g caffeine per tab I think). Usually about 20-30 minutes before cardio. This is usually only in the last 8-10 weeks prior to contest though. If it's .Thanks for that Truds, that sounds kinda like what I'd been doing before AM cardio, less the green tea caps. I might see where I can find them.This has been a really helpful thread TFB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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