KETOSIS???

[NZPT]

...the brain prefers ketones as a source of energy and runs better on them...

i dont know where you get your info from but this is wrong. The brain can use ketone bodies as fuel but is very ineffective. the muscels how ever need carbohydrates so acetyl co enzyme A can enter the kreb cycle to produce ATP which is the energy source muscle require during exercise. so a low carb diet isnt good for this.

maybe you have heard the term DKA (diabetic Ketoacidosis) where they donot get enough carbohydrates and there for suffer from this and almost die.

going into ketosis pre comp under guidence is fine but be careful what information you pot on here because what you have said is incorect.

[Lyndon]

ive read about 5 books so far on ketosis and all seem to say that the brains prefers ketones........*shrug* when ive got time im sure i could paste a oodle of quotes but i cant be bothered atm....doesnt matter anyhow as we are both doing what suits us.

[Lyndon]

but in respect to what your saying i could be wrong in the sence that im referring to the brains preferred source is under a state of ketosis....which would be obvious hehe

ummmmm to be honest im gonna have to read up to see what is prefered in either state , but i guess it comes down to how u fuction best.

for me im more stable in ketosis rather than blood sugar drops and all that with a glucose metabolism.

[joelbell]

i really wish people weren't so dogmatic with training and nutrition, i've seen people get lean on low fat high carb diets, and people get lean on low carb high fat diets while feeling great. anyway, heres a link to an article that was written in a sports nutrition journal saying that ketosis is all good for brain fuel:

http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.org/s ... -11-04.pdf

[Pseudonym]

Good discussion guys. Thanks for the study Joel - I'll read it in the morning when I've got a few more brain cells!

[NZPT]

This is from Marieb human anotomy and physiology sixth edition:

when ketones accumulate in the blood, ketosis is the result with large amounts of ketones excreted in the urine. ketosis is a common cosequence of starving, unwise dieting (INADEQUATE CARBOHYDRATES ARE EATEN). The outcome of ketosis is metabolic acidosis.

The bodies buffer system then cannot tie up the ketones fast enough, and blood pH drops to dangerously low levels.

in sever conditions the bloods pH gets so low the acidic pH depresses the nervous system, leading to coma or death.

pg 968 6th edition

lydon just thought id throw this up, you are right to say the body can use ketones as a fuel source it is just not reccomended for long durations.

hope this clears it up

[Lyndon]

in sever conditions the bloods pH gets so low the acidic pH depresses the nervous system, leading to coma or death.

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awesome , joel knows me so he will let u know if i die any time soon :wink:

[joelbell]

in sever conditions the bloods pH gets so low the acidic pH depresses the nervous system, leading to coma or death.

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awesome , joel knows me so he will let u know if i die any time soon :wink:

after not seeing you for a year, i'm sure you looked healthier and more energetic than before. your not permanently ketoned anyway if you carb cycle. i've also read somewhere that your body doesn't have as many ketones present once your body adapts, as it burns fat more efficiently?

don't all the veges you eat balance out the acid? aren't carbs acidic too once metabolised?

i'm trying it out to see if it will give me an 8 pack for summer, i feel pretty decent so far. kinda following the anabolic diet method.

[2guns]

i'm trying it out to see if it will give me an 8 pack for summer,

thats impossible for u,

[joelbell]

i'm trying it out to see if it will give me an 8 pack for summer,

thats impossible for u,

whys that?

[2guns]

because males cant have an 8 pack

[joelbell]

because males cant have an 8 pack

wow, lets make it 6 then!

[chchardgainer]

because males cant have an 8 pack

since when?? iv seen a few before.

[joelbell]

This thread has gone on a wild tangent.

[2guns]

since when?? iv seen a few before.

that would be women who look like men

[chchardgainer]

since when?? iv seen a few before.

that would be women who look like men

still better than men who look like women :pfft: :pfft:

[2guns]

id have to disagree there, i see men who look like women every day that is the norm these days.

last nite... i was at one tree hill with some mates having a bbq and ther was this polynesian 'ladie' and bro she woulda taken out da womens category of movember, fully black mo!! i was puttin some rubbish in the bin aye and bumped into her she turned round i was like holy jesus, just cracked up hard, think she thought i was crazy :pfft: