best thermogenic fat burner

[bambam]

Come on now 2guns i was trying to get abit of the phil collins thing going on haha 8)

[weener lad]

Creatine tops up ATP energy reserves.

It may make you hold water, or gain water weight.

This will be favourable as it will offer some leverage with your lifting.

It is not permanenent. As you come off it, it will reduce.

if you are doing a show, then you want to want to leave creatine out for at last the the last 2 weeks.

If not, no harm whatsoever in taking creatine and a thermo together, and neither will they work "against" each other.

Just make sure you drink a shit load of water.

Too true, however if you take Kre-Alkalyn you will not get the side effects associated with Creatine use (no water retention). In saying that I drop the Kre-Alk out a week before comp as it is no longer any use.

[biggurl27]

Come on now 2guns i was trying to get abit of the phil collins thing going on haha 8)

Huh is that your gorilla impersonation?

[two_phat]

bambam that photo could really be mistaken for a cd cover.

nice though - you look like your in deep thought

[Optimass]

Does anyone remember the old days when the doctor used to hand out duromine everytime you wanted to drop some weight? Is anyone still using it? --- days seemed a lot shorter back them :shock:

http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/Consumers/cmi/d/Duromine.htm

http://www2.everybody.co.nz/forum/ubbth ... =1&fpart=2

One of the best fat burners out there!