virgo1978 Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Has anyone used T3 (Throxine) T4 or a combination of the two (whole thyroid) for fat loss? Do I need to taper up on the doses, and for how long can you stay on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samoan_muscle Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Thyroid hormones are awesome for fat burning - actually i would say the best (after DNP)...however wouldnt advise using them if your not on the gear to protect your hard earned muscle!!My present thyroid dosing schedule looks like this:Thyroxine (T4): 100mcg every dayLiothyronine (T3): 75mcg every day Have also tried those whole thyroid caps and didn't find them as effective as the synthetic versions of the hormone. Also, the thing with whole thyroid meds is that you can never really be sure how much thyroid hormone you are getting or how much of each type. I can recall the 60mg having around 35mcg of T4, 9mcg of T3 and traces of T2. However, as its pretty much ground up pigs thyroid you can never be sure.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samoan_muscle Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Has anyone used T3 (Throxine) T4 or a combination of the two (whole thyroid) for fat loss? Do I need to taper up on the doses, and for how long can you stay on.I have 60mg whole thyroid tabs, & 200mg T4 tablets, T3 on their way but what is the best way to use this?Any help would be appreciated.....Oh yeah by the way, a common misconception here in NZ is that thyroxine is T3. This is wrong - it's T4. You cant get T3 (tertroxin) here in NZ anymore...at least not through legitimate sources...it was discontinued by Medsafe/GlaxoSmithKline a couple of years ago.T4 is the only synthetic thyroid hormone that can still be prescribed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgo1978 Posted August 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Thanks for that, you didn't taper up on either the T3 or the T4?? i have heard conflicting information that you may need to do this, whats your thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2guns Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 25/25/25/25/25/50/50/50/50/50/75/75/75/75/75/100/100/100/100/100/100/100/100/100/100/100/100/75/75/75/75/75/50/50/50/50/50/25/25/25/25/25one way to do a t3 alone cycle.best to stack t3 and clen together will be doing this next comp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2guns Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 i have heard conflicting information that you may need to do this, whats your thoughts?i would taper up and back down afterwards to be safe, u dont want to be taking this stuff everyday for rest of yr life do u? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudonym Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 I thought tapering dosages was generally considered out of fashion now? Or is that more for testosterone and the like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgo1978 Posted August 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Why would you need to cycle T3 at all, is it dangerous for your health or cause bad side effects, could you not start on a low dose and stay on indeffinatly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samoan_muscle Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Why would you need to cycle T3 at all, is it dangerous for your health or cause bad side effects, could you not start on a low dose and stay on indeffinatly?The old school of thought on Thyroid hormone use seems incorporate both cycling and tapering.Nowadays ppl seem to be using thyroid hormones over extended periods of time...and when they come off their natural thyroid recovers within a few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2guns Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 CytomelIs not an anabolic steroid, it is a thyroid hormone. T3 speeds up the metabolism causing a faster conversion of carbohydrates, proteins and fats. The result is increased fat burning and T3 simultaneously makes the steroids more effective, probably because of the faster conversion of protein. T3 is usually used as a part of cut (dieting) cycles, it works especially good with Primobolan, Winstrol, Oxandrolone, Masteron, Clenbuterol and Proviron. Stack of Cytomel and Clenbuterol is probably the best nonsteroidal fat burning stack, T3 is also very popular with women. Start with one or half a tablet of T3 and slowly increase the dose over next few days until you reach the required dose. Liothyronine sodium is to be taken divided throughout the day and the cycles should be kept short ( 4-6 weeks) with an off period of at least 4 - 6 weeks. Cytomel DosageThis product usually comes in bottles of 100 tablets at 25 mcgs each. It is available in a variety of doses though ranging from 5 - 100 mcgs. per tablet. ytomel is a synthetic thyroid hormone (Type T-3). There are two main types of synthetic thyroid hormones that are available being this and Synthroid (T-4). This product is regarded as the stronger of the two products (it is 4-5 times stronger than Synthroid). This product works by increasing the synthesis of protein, carbohydrates, and fats as well as RNA in the body thereby increasing your BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate). Bodybuilders love this product for many reasons. This product is an excellent fat burner since your metabolism is greatly increased while being on it. You can afford to be a little sloppier on pre-contest dieting since it will still burn fat when you are taking in a lot of calories since your metabolism is going haywire. Step over Ripped Fuel, E/C/A stack, Thermodrine. When taken with Clenbuterol, this is the single best fat-burning combination that is available today (with the possible exception of DNP). It also helps to make steroids more effective since it is such a good aid for protein synthesis. Most people need to be careful to start with a low dosage, about 25 mcgs. per day and increase by about one tab or 25 mcgs. per day every 5-6 days. Make sure that you don't go over 100 mcgs. per day at the very most. On days that you take muliple tabs, divide the tabs evenly across the day (i.e. 100 mcgs. would be 4 doses of 25 mcgs. apiece spread evenly across the day.) You also need to make sure that you cycle down off this product as well to keep the thyroid functioning properly as well. Don't take for more than 5 weeks at a time as well. After doing a cycle of this drug, make sure you go at least 8 weeks before doing it again as to allow normal thyroid functioning to return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2guns Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 http://www.medpharmacare.comis where that came from.its up to u but u dont seem to know alot about it and its not the sort of thing u want to just take without knowing how much to take and for how long, since u are female u may take less than males.. (not sure on that, havnt givin to any girlfriends b4 :pfft: ) imo for myself i would taper up and down and cycle it as i wouldnt want to and dont think its worth the risk of wrecking my thyroid (once u wrecked it it doesnt heal) beside if u take other stuff and eat clean itll work just as good and dont need to take longer than 6 weeks.like insulin, i think cycling it is best to avoid the chance of dependence whereas some ppl will jus stay on.... but why risk it i say 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 And what happens if there s any damage to thyroid fuction? Long term effects?A doctor friend of mine has said time and time again: Don't muck around with your Pancreas and Thyroid. Life with improper function of both can be very un-enjoyable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2guns Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 And what happens if there s any damage to thyroid fuction? Long term effects? A doctor friend of mine has said time and time again: Don't muck around with your Pancreas and Thyroid. Life with improper function of both can be very un-enjoyable.thats y i said taper and cycle them both, then u will have no problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Good clean diet & good old fashioned hard work = fat loss ..with no side effects!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 And what happens if there s any damage to thyroid fuction? Long term effects? A doctor friend of mine has said time and time again: Don't muck around with your Pancreas and Thyroid. Life with improper function of both can be very un-enjoyable.thats y i said taper and cycle them both, then u will have no problemsIs that a no-problem guarantee? These are parts of the endocrine system that are critical for normal human function. Life can become pretty un-enjoyable when these things pack up.I guess what I'm saying here is consult a medical practitioner not a Bodybuilding Forum.Disclaimer: 2guns, i'm not saying you don't know your stuff, not for a second. What I am saying is it's better to be safe than sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 I have used T3, both 4 week tapering cycles. Worked ok but wouldn't use again unless I was "on". Made me very flat. Was happy with results though.Definitely don't want to push the thyroid too hard. Like anything though there can be precautions taken to lessen the risks, however they can't be eliminated completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samoan_muscle Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 And what happens if there s any damage to thyroid fuction? Long term effects? A doctor friend of mine has said time and time again: Don't muck around with your Pancreas and Thyroid. Life with improper function of both can be very un-enjoyable.thats y i said taper and cycle them both, then u will have no problemsIs that a no-problem guarantee? These are parts of the endocrine system that are critical for normal human function. Life can become pretty un-enjoyable when these things pack up.I guess what I'm saying here is consult a medical practitioner not a Bodybuilding Forum.Disclaimer: 2guns, i'm not saying you don't know your stuff, not for a second. What I am saying is it's better to be safe than sorry.Have there been any studies done to prove that messing around with exogenous thyroid hormone will cause your thyroid to pack up? This belief seems to be more of a rumour rather than an actual concrete fact. I in fact know of a certain person who used T3 for over a year and when he came off his normal thyroid function returned to normal within a month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED_AISH Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Good clean diet & good old fashioned hard work = fat loss ..with no side effects!!I couldn't agree more! The only real side effect is fat loss and maybe a little hunger. :pfft: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samoan_muscle Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 I have used T3, both 4 week tapering cycles. Worked ok but wouldn't use again unless I was "on". Made me very flat. Was happy with results though.Definitely don't want to push the thyroid too hard. Like anything though there can be precautions taken to lessen the risks, however they can't be eliminated completely.I agree, T3 can definately make you flat...calories have to be just right to counter the catabolic effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgo1978 Posted August 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 CytomelIs not an anabolic steroid, it is a thyroid hormone. T3 speeds up the metabolism causing a faster conversion of carbohydrates, proteins and fats. The result is increased fat burning and T3 simultaneously makes the steroids more effective, probably because of the faster conversion of protein. T3 is usually used as a part of cut (dieting) cycles, it works especially good with Primobolan, Winstrol, Oxandrolone, Masteron, Clenbuterol and Proviron. Stack of Cytomel and Clenbuterol is probably the best nonsteroidal fat burning stack, T3 is also very popular with women. Start with one or half a tablet of T3 and slowly increase the dose over next few days until you reach the required dose. Liothyronine sodium is to be taken divided throughout the day and the cycles should be kept short ( 4-6 weeks) with an off period of at least 4 - 6 weeks. Cytomel DosageThis product usually comes in bottles of 100 tablets at 25 mcgs each. It is available in a variety of doses though ranging from 5 - 100 mcgs. per tablet. ytomel is a synthetic thyroid hormone (Type T-3). There are two main types of synthetic thyroid hormones that are available being this and Synthroid (T-4). This product is regarded as the stronger of the two products (it is 4-5 times stronger than Synthroid). This product works by increasing the synthesis of protein, carbohydrates, and fats as well as RNA in the body thereby increasing your BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate). Bodybuilders love this product for many reasons. This product is an excellent fat burner since your metabolism is greatly increased while being on it. You can afford to be a little sloppier on pre-contest dieting since it will still burn fat when you are taking in a lot of calories since your metabolism is going haywire. Step over Ripped Fuel, E/C/A stack, Thermodrine. When taken with Clenbuterol, this is the single best fat-burning combination that is available today (with the possible exception of DNP). It also helps to make steroids more effective since it is such a good aid for protein synthesis. Most people need to be careful to start with a low dosage, about 25 mcgs. per day and increase by about one tab or 25 mcgs. per day every 5-6 days. Make sure that you don't go over 100 mcgs. per day at the very most. On days that you take muliple tabs, divide the tabs evenly across the day (i.e. 100 mcgs. would be 4 doses of 25 mcgs. apiece spread evenly across the day.) You also need to make sure that you cycle down off this product as well to keep the thyroid functioning properly as well. Don't take for more than 5 weeks at a time as well. After doing a cycle of this drug, make sure you go at least 8 weeks before doing it again as to allow normal thyroid functioning to return.thanks for the useful information, you seam to know your stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2guns Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 thanks for the useful information, you seam to know your stuff!i copyed and pasted that and put the link/reference in the post below.cant take credit for tht Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2guns Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 Is that a no-problem guarantee? These are parts of the endocrine system that are critical for normal human function. Life can become pretty un-enjoyable when these things pack up. I guess what I'm saying here is consult a medical practitioner not a Bodybuilding Forum. Disclaimer: 2guns, i'm not saying you don't know your stuff, not for a second. What I am saying is it's better to be safe than sorry.yeah, exactly go see a doctor if u are worried..suppose i was speaking for myself, in that i would taper up and down the t3 and stay on for 6 weeks at most then have a break (not sure how long of a break) then id go back on for another 6 weeks if i wanted.doing it this way i would be quite happy and would be confident there would be no risks for myself.the majority of wat ive read and heard is that t3 is safest taken (and just as effective) tapered up and down and cycled for no longer than 6 weeks.i gave u my advice on wat id do, but u dont seem to know alot virgo1978 so go talk to a doctor as waldo said.and waldo, nothing is ever guaranteed.. so yes there is a risk i suppose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgo1978 Posted August 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 A doctor is not going to reccomend thyoid tabs for any of you unless of course you need it.i am just interested that'a all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbelldog Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 Good clean diet & good old fashioned hard work = fat loss ..with no side effects!!I couldn't agree more! The only real side effect is fat loss and maybe a little hunger. :pfft:And muscle wasting to some degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED_AISH Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 And muscle wasting to some degree.True but the options they are talking about here wouldn't stop you going catabolic unless on gear... would they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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