first time user after a bit of advice

[huff5472]

Hi guys been reading a lot in this forum lots of good stuff.

I'm 27 been training for years and looking to do my first by cycle,

I'v been recommended to use a stack of Sustanon &  decoanate over 10 weeks 

I've been having trouble finding info on these two used as a stack so what Im after is some words of wisdome

what do you guys no about these two, personal experience, side effects, dosage, if these two do go hand in hand

any info you guys can provide will help me in my decision and will be much appreciated.

 

 

[ratz99]

Lol personally I wouldn't take Deca (Deconate) first cycle. Just do a nice and simple Test E cycle for about 12 -15 weeks @ 500mg per week. Even if you were going to take Deca 10 weeks isn't long enough (i dont think?). From what I've read Deca is a bit harsher on your body and shuts you down pretty hard. Test E is much easier to recover from, and should always be your first cycle IMO.

You should have little to no sides at 500mg Test E per week. If you wan't you could run an A.I such as armidex to keep estrogen from converting etc, but I didn't find it necessary. Some people are more sensitive to it though, and need to run them. If you eat big and train hard you'll make awesome gains. 

[Daz69]

1 hour ago, huff5472 said:

Hi guys been reading a lot in this forum lots of good stuff.

I'm 27 been training for years and looking to do my first by cycle,

I'v been recommended to use a stack of Sustanon &  decoanate over 10 weeks 

I've been having trouble finding info on these two used as a stack so what Im after is some words of wisdome

what do you guys no about these two, personal experience, side effects, dosage, if these two do go hand in hand

any info you guys can provide will help me in my decision and will be much appreciated.

 

 

 

As previously stated for a first cycle you should ideally use only one compound preferably testosterone...

 

By decanoate, I assume you mean nandrolone decanoate.. Not advised first cycle, as some people experience estrogen related side effects that can't be treated with an AI, or SERM..

 

You don't state height, weight, or BF%..??

 

Why not try starting on 250mg/week (injected twice with HALF the dose)... after 2-3 weeks increase to 275mg, then after another 2-3 weeks increase to 300mg, and so on..

 

By jumping straight up to 500mg/week you could initiate side effects sooner, read my post on "Why you should not frontload"....

[I Declare War]

Good advice Daz. One thing I'd suggest is not upping the dose in relation to time on. Use gains in strength and physique as yiur indicator of plateau. Prioritise training, nutrition, and rest as the factors you need to dial in before considering to increase dose. Only when you have those maxed out and are still not making gains shouls you consider upping.

 

Also, quite often it's better to go off the gear when you think you need to up the dosage. Going off will resensitise your body and enable you use lower dosages over time. 

 

TLDR: Don't get caught in the trap of escalating dosages.

[huff5472]

2 hours ago, Daz69 said:

 

As previously stated for a first cycle you should ideally use only one compound preferably testosterone...

 

By decanoate, I assume you mean nandrolone decanoate.. Not advised first cycle, as some people experience estrogen related side effects that can't be treated with an AI, or SERM..

 

You don't state height, weight, or BF%..??

 

Why not try starting on 250mg/week (injected twice with HALF the dose)... after 2-3 weeks increase to 275mg, then after another 2-3 weeks increase to 300mg, and so on..

 

By jumping straight up to 500mg/week you could initiate side effects sooner, read my post on "Why you should not frontload"....

 

Thanks mate. height 180cm weight 86 fat 9%

 

yea i was thinking about a lower dose to start with i did read your post on front loading at it definitely made a lot of sense to me.. as I've never cycled before just small amount would make a massive difference and it definitely makes sense to alter my dosage dependent on my gains.

 

cool to no that there is not a lot of gain to be had from using nandrolone decanoate, this was just suggested to me buy my suppler and could have been a bit of a sails pitch lol.. but thats why these forums are so good.

so what dose nandrolone decanoate actuly do?

 

[huff5472]

also Sustanon vs Test E

you guys recommend Test E is this easier on the body for a first time?

 

[ratz99]

31 minutes ago, huff5472 said:

 

 

so what dose nandrolone decanoate actuly do?

 

Turns you into a big bloated mess I hear lol

[Daz69]

8 hours ago, I Declare War said:

Good advice Daz. One thing I'd suggest is not upping the dose in relation to time on. Use gains in strength and physique as yiur indicator of plateau. Prioritise training, nutrition, and rest as the factors you need to dial in before considering to increase dose. Only when you have those maxed out and are still not making gains shouls you consider upping.

 

Also, quite often it's better to go off the gear when you think you need to up the dosage. Going off will resensitise your body and enable you use lower dosages over time. 

 

TLDR: Don't get caught in the trap of escalating dosages.

 

Hi Marty... That's kinda what I meant to say but didn't, and why I referred him to my other post as it explains it quite well...

Guess I was being lazy... Sorry...

[Daz69]

6 hours ago, huff5472 said:

also Sustanon vs Test E

you guys recommend Test E is this easier on the body for a first time?

 

 

Either, or... Doesn't make much difference... 4 esters as opposed to 1... Pin both twice a week for similar results..

 

[Daz69]

6 hours ago, huff5472 said:

 

so what dose nandrolone decanoate actually do?

 

 

It's an old school mass builder, used to good effect with test, dbol, oxymetholone...

 

Not really for a first cycle, as stated previously nandrolone can cause side effects in some people notably gyno, which can't be treated with the usual anti-e's, or SERM's... 

Not something you should be worrying about first cycle...

[narcosis73]

Have ya started your cycle yet huff, when ya do don't forget to run a cycle log on here, training, nutrition, pin frequency etc, also don't forget to get bloods before ya start.

[huff5472]

Hey guys have started my cycle finally had to take the time to be shore i was able to commit .
so i have started and all seems to be going well but im getting sore nipples, is this normal? or is it something to be concerned about?

any advice would be good cheers 

[Daz69]

3 hours ago, huff5472 said:

Hey guys have started my cycle finally had to take the time to be shore i was able to commit .
so i have started and all seems to be going well but im getting sore nipples, is this normal? or is it something to be concerned about?

any advice would be good cheers 

 

Initial soreness can be in response to supraphysiological dose of androgens, as the body adapts it can disappear never to return in most people...

What is your current dose and injection frequency..?

[huff5472]

.25ml 2x week

[Daz69]

16 hours ago, huff5472 said:

.25ml 2x week

 

0.25ml at what concentration..?

[huff5472]

I am now 7 weeks in to a 12 week sus 250

 have upped my dose a couple times from

.25ml 2xw weeks  1- 2

.5ml  2xw weeks 3 - 5

.7ml  2xw week 6 - 7

 

as far as side effects i have had sore nipples and pain at injection site for the first 5 weeks, i spoke to people and found out the brand i was taking wasn't to flash so changed brand. 

side effects went away almost immediately 

 

Now i am having trouble with cramps... is this a common thing when on cycle?

have tried all the usal add salt, more water etc..

 

has any one severe cramps as a side effect?

 

 

 

[Dreadmouse]

why is talking about dosages, in terms of how many ml's you're taking, even a thing?

 

if you have itchy nips, go get your E2 checked and get that under control before you grow boobs

[maccaz]

talking in ml's is telltale sign of someone that should not be taking gear.

[Realtalk]

Sore nipples and post injection pain seem like it'll be ok gear to me. Maybe too much BA in the batch, could be propionate or could be low quality powder that hasn't been washed properly. 

 

New brand and sore nipples have gone away. Hmmm dunno about that one mate, all sounds a bit dodgy too me.