DNP in nz

[Gainswood]

Anyone on here tried dnp of course for their rose garden, was wondering dosage and value for money 

[kiwicannon]

D Hacks Crystal is by far the best I've tried, 200mg - 400mg ed 

 

Deplete via Keto before DNP cycle make sure you've got Vitamin B complex, Alpha Lipoic on hand etc etc..                      Do your homework with this shit or else you'll find yourself in hospital getting ice shovelled up yo ass.....and that aint gonna save ya! SRS!

[Gainswood]

What was the result with 200?

[kiwicannon]

200 is good for a longer duration IF i do use DNP again id go higher e.g. 600 ed for a short period.

 

In all honesty though mate i probably wouldn't run this stuff again personally i was totally lethargic and struggled through W/Os.

 

IMHO nothing beats good old fashion Cardio and Diet!! 

[eddie]

If you have to take dnp to get lean maybe bodybuilding isnt for you, why anyone would risk death to get lean is crazy to me.

[kiwicannon]

9 hours ago, eddie said:

If you have to take dnp to get lean maybe bodybuilding isnt for you, why anyone would risk death to get lean is crazy to me.

I hear ya mate DNP is a nasty drug and not for the weekend warrior,  yes it works but the benefits outway the risk if you dont know how to use it properly 

[eddie]

Let me give you an example of expert use or professional use i have tryed insulin many years ago along with a lot of top guys i new and friends i supose you can say we new what we were doing but like me and the guys i new and top guys had some close calls using or expermenting with this drug, now many years later i know how stupid it was trying this drug and not only that how unnecessary it is, now if there is two drugs that should not be in our sport it is dnp and insulin both can kill and both wont turn you into a pro, now i will go futher in saying if you are a supplyer and you sell these two drugs to weekend warriors or joe blow who you dont know or what they are doing i would have to say this is very dangerous. no one should sell these drugs to anyone. 

[HarryB]

That's a bit of scare mongering and amusing when a whole lot of the guys here are happy to take all kinds of drugs. Like anything its just a matter applying insulin or dnp effectively and understanding why and what you're doing. Insulin is great under the right circumstances for some people and if you want to use dnp just go do your homework and err on the side of caution. 

[eddie]

I guess we all have different morals.

[HarryB]

37 minutes ago, eddie said:

I guess we all have different morals.

 

I don't understand what morals has to do with it? I don't sell drugs but I don't think carrying on like they're going to kill people is correct either. Educating is better than just scare mongering, that never works cos people immediately discount your message when all you do is say oh these things will kill you. Then of course they try and find out how many deaths can be attributed in bodybuilding to dnp or insulin use and.... oh hang on... f*ck all. Wanna know what does kill bodybuilders, lots of them... diuretics. But does anyone think twice about using them? No... of course not. So I'm not sure if you're implying you're morals are better than mine (they probably are) but cmon man, just don't scare monger like that. It's pointless. It's more useful to say in reference to insulin that it's dangerous if you're not getting the right amount of sugars and then give an account of your experience etc etc etc or with dnp tell of the dosing you used and the issues you had etc etc etc people learn from that. They don't learn anything from "you're gonna die" so they just discount it. I'd rather someone tries something with some information because they're going to try it anyway. 

[eddie]

Im not sure what you are trying to prove by getting angry for harry i never accused you of anything u chimmed in, and im surprised a man of your intelligence and a man that has proberly done and tryed it all like myself could morally tell someone that was asking you for advice as a human being, and that you would tell them if they could take insulin or dnp or even a diuretic which nearly killed me that its ok, let it alone if it was your own son or daughter or some young guy in the gym when men like us should tell these brothers and sisters that no i have done it and im telling you that you should never do it, and you can become a champion with out those things, infact if you cant become a top guy just using aas and gh alone why bother taking anything else, good luck to you harry im not interested in fighting with you.

[AnabolicChicken]

Insulin doesn't kill people, people kill themselves by not doing their homework. Some drugs are more high risk than others, but all risk is manageable through common sense and education.

[HarryB]

38 minutes ago, eddie said:

Im not sure what you are trying to prove by getting angry for harry i never accused you of anything u chimmed in, and im surprised a man of your intelligence and a man that has proberly done and tryed it all like myself could morally tell someone that was asking you for advice as a human being, and that you would tell them if they could take insulin or dnp or even a diuretic which nearly killed me that its ok, let it alone if it was your own son or daughter or some young guy in the gym when men like us should tell these brothers and sisters that no i have done it and im telling you that you should never do it, and you can become a champion with out those things, infact if you cant become a top guy just using aas and gh alone why bother taking anything else, good luck to you harry im not interested in fighting with you.

 

I'm not getting angry I'm stating fact. If my son asked me about any drug not just bodybuilding related I would be honest with him and educate him. I wouldn't say it's OK but rather than be blanket and say it's going to kill him I'd educate him so he can decide why I don't think it's OK and if he chooses a course of action he does so in an informed manner. If he chose to use insulin then I'd prefer he did it with all the knowledge that I have an more. Hopefully if I educated him enough he wouldn't use any of it. 

 

I don't like the idea that we don't educate people and that's what I'm commenting on. 

 

 

[Daz69]

Drugs don't abuse people, people abuse drugs.. At times it is mostly through ignorance.  

Harry is correct, education is the key, not blanket statements "drugs kill" or  "don't do drugs" like they hear all the time from parents, teachers, police or governments. 

whilstever people see their friends growing bigger n getting stronger those statements don't really cut it..

We know so much now about pharmacology, pharmacokinetics etc there is little reason not to understand the basics, or to learn from someone who does, as opposed to 30-40 years ago, where there was no internet or modern research and we knew jack shit..

All drugs have a therapeutic window and an LD50,  you need a little education to know how to use them safely..

[eddie]

Im sure those competitor that have died using dnp and insulin and diuretics over the years thought they new what they were doing as well or asked someone like you daz what to do, the right thing is to point them in the right direction, i guess at the end of the day there are people like me that will draw the line at somethings and there are people like you that will say start at a low dose.

Would i have used insulin years ago after what i know now would never touch it, have never used dnp not stupid enough to would never tell anyone to use it at any dose, diuretics scared me so much after  making a mistake  and i thought i new what i was doing, do these drugs work hell yes, are they in our sport yes, should they be used  ithink not.

[Daz69]

Hi Eddie.. actually I too would prefer most people didn't take certain compounds, but experience tells me they probably will..

Maybe then its best to, if possible guide them to a lower dose, and away from polypharmacy..

[woody]

On 8/11/2016 at 11:08 PM, eddie said:

Im sure those competitor that have died using dnp and insulin and diuretics over the years thought they new what they were doing as well or asked someone like you daz what to do, the right thing is to point them in the right direction, i guess at the end of the day there are people like me that will draw the line at somethings and there are people like you that will say start at a low dose.

Would i have used insulin years ago after what i know now would never touch it, have never used dnp not stupid enough to would never tell anyone to use it at any dose, diuretics scared me so much after  making a mistake  and i thought i new what i was doing, do these drugs work hell yes, are they in our sport yes, should they be used  ithink not.

the fact you state if you new what you do now reguarding insulin you would have  never touched it tells me you still no little on the subject,you would need to be completely uneducated on the subject to get yourself in serious trouble with insulin use,yes is has the "potential" to kill,but so do many other products,there are type 1 diabetics as young as 9 years who are left to administer and dose their insulin on their own.

imo there are far more products in he fitness industrie far more dangerous than insulin.im sure if you looked into the nunber of deaths from accidental o/d on insulin ,there would be few.

[eddie]

Im over it cowboy woody do want you want use insulin and tell other people to use it as well i couldnt give a shit if you dont want to listen to me or not. But i will bet you one thing i have more knowledge on slin than you, we can drop this subject cause its getting old, thanks for your input though.

[Pseudonym]

On 8/21/2016 at 9:27 AM, woody said:

imo there are far more products in he fitness industrie far more dangerous than insulin.im sure if you looked into the nunber of deaths from accidental o/d on insulin ,there would be few.

It's an interesting question. What's more dangerous - insulin or fat burners? (I presume these were the other products you were referring to?)

 

You'd have to adjust the insulin numbers for usage. Relatively few people use insulin, so the raw number of deaths would obviously be tiny. But it would be interesting to compare "adverse reactions" (probably not enough data for deaths) between insulin and fat burners, when scaled for usage.

[HarryB]

7 hours ago, Pseudonym said:

It's an interesting question. What's more dangerous - insulin or fat burners? (I presume these were the other products you were referring to?)

 

You'd have to adjust the insulin numbers for usage. Relatively few people use insulin, so the raw number of deaths would obviously be tiny. But it would be interesting to compare "adverse reactions" (probably not enough data for deaths) between insulin and fat burners, when scaled for usage.

 

I think you'd find most insulin users have had a bad experience from mistiming food or not eating enough where I'd imagine very few taking otc fatburners would have. 

[Daz69]

7 hours ago, Pseudonym said:

It's an interesting question. What's more dangerous - insulin or fat burners? (I presume these were the other products you were referring to?)

 

You'd have to adjust the insulin numbers for usage. Relatively few people use insulin, so the raw number of deaths would obviously be tiny. But it would be interesting to compare "adverse reactions" (probably not enough data for deaths) between insulin and fat burners, when scaled for usage.

 

Apparently diuretics... 

[Realtalk]

The way a 9 year old type 1 and a bodybuilder use insulin is a little different. There are definitley a few rules to stick by, I think if you follow these then you will be good. However, Sometimes it's just not practical to be prepared all the time. Especially when you are cycling it. So let's say month on month off, for one month you are prepared and carrying sugar with you all the time and the other month you don't need to. It's pretty difficult to just switch into that for the on month and remember all the time when its not really your life. Experiencing hypoglycaemia isn't a nice feeling and can happen pretty quickly, I think saying if you do it correctly you won't have problems is a little simplistic and whilst that's correct. Life just doesn't always go like that. Majority of people don't know what they are doing with it and just get fat anyway, making it a complete waste of their time and health. Just because it's so cheap and easily available doesn't mean it should be a staple.

[Pseudonym]

16 hours ago, Daz69 said:

 

Apparently diuretics... 

Oh yes, of course. Well, delete "fat burners" from my post above and replace with "diuretics". You think the incident rate would be higher with diuretics?

[RandySavage]

This is of no help to anyone but just thought i'd throw this in there.

 

I had a friend back in the UK, he didn't compete or anything but he was in amazing shape. He was a research scientist, which was awesome because his license allowed him to import all kinds of dodgy substances for research purposes. 

 

Anyway, he used DNP that he was able to get a hold of due to his license and he was incredibly successful in using it, it did some amazing things for him, he shredded up like I've never seen. 

 

However I should add that he was very very very experienced and knowledgeable about what he was doing and of course had the benefits of understanding all the science. He offered to put me on a cycle, as much as I trusted him, I didn't wanna touch the stuff. I'm not hardcore enough for that haha.

 

He admitted himself he would never ever purchase this stuff through ugl's, and would never touch it unless he purchased it himself from a legal source and capped it himself. He didn't trust anyone else. 

[kiwicannon]

Yea mate for sure thats the problem buying UGL shit, you just dont know how clean it is and if its even dosed accurately!

 

 DNP is unforgiving and if you f*ck it up your in for one hell of a rough ride!