Type 1 Diabetic First Cycle

[Daz42]

Hi everyone,

 

I am a 22 year old male and in September last year I was diagnosed with Type 1 Diabetes. At the start of last year with about three years of training (seriously) experience behind me, I weighed 100 kg at around 8% body fat. As I got sick, the hyperglycaemia (high blood sugar) made me lose a lot of weight, basically because my body was using muscle as a fuel source as it wasn't getting any carbohydrates due to my pancreas not working properly or at all. At diagnosis my weight had fallen all the way to 72 kg. I was still training hard everyday and eating 3000-4000 calories a day, my body was just eating me an I was basically pissing all my weight out. Anyway, after getting released from hospital, I started on pretty high doses of Lantus in the morning (long acting insulin) and Novarapid with meals. I managed to get control of my blood sugar levels, and at the end of my bulk I weighed 108 kg. My body fat percentage rose to around 20%. I started cutting on the 1st January with hope of competing in my first body building competition in May at NABBA Taranaki. I consistently lost 0.5-1.5 kg a week until Around 2-3 weeks ago I weighed 90 kg at 11.2% body fat. Fat loss has stalled for the last two weeks. I am now 4 weeks away from my show and I am scared I am not going to be ready in time. My current macros are 300 carb, 200 protein and 60 fat aswel as 1000 calories of cardio per week. My macros hadn't had to change much until now because of the consistent weight loss. My blood sugar levels are well in control, I have far more hypos (low blood sugars) then hypers, I barely ever go high. I am currently only taking 6 units of Lantus every morning and only have to take 2-3 units of Novarapid later in the day if I go a little high (10-15 mmol) but that isn't common. 

Now that you basically have my life story haha, I have a few questions.

1. Is there anything that can help me burn the last of the fat I need to burn for this show. I already take thermogenics (I also take creatine, pre workout and amino acids), and they have no effect on my blood sugars which is a good thing. Clenbuterol maybe? Although I hear that works as a insulin blocker which would mean I have to take note insulin which wouldn't be very good for fat loss I guess as insulin is a storage hormone?

 

2. After this show, I am very interested in going on a cycle. What is the best cycle for a beginner? I have read on many websites that a once a week dose of 250-500 mg Test-E for 12 weeks, followed by a few weeks off and then 4 weeks of 40 mg Novaldex (what is this for?) is a good way to start?

 

3. Are there any diabetics (especially Type 1) that have tried gear out there? Have you had any problems? What would you suggest?

 

Sorry for the rant and really appreciate any help that may be out there!

 

Daz

[PETN]

Not in a position to really answer your questions about being diabetic etc but what is Trenbuterol? Also plenty of info out there on what nolva does. Spend 10min on Google and you should have it pretty sussed. 

[Daz42]

11 minutes ago, PETN said:

Not in a position to really answer your questions about being diabetic etc but what is Trenbuterol? Also plenty of info out there on what nolva does. Spend 10min on Google and you should have it pretty sussed. 

Thanks for the reply- have edited earlier post- was meaning does anyone think clen would be effective in burning the needed fat in the small time frame before the show, keeping in mind that what I have learnt from research is that Clen causes an insulin resistance, which would mean I have to take more insulin, resulting in more fat storage. I had kind of came to the conclusion that Clen would be counter productive being diabetic.

[Daz69]

12 hours ago, Daz42 said:

Thanks for the reply- have edited earlier post- was meaning does anyone think clen would be effective in burning the needed fat in the small time frame before the show, keeping in mind that what I have learnt from research is that Clen causes an insulin resistance, which would mean I have to take more insulin, resulting in more fat storage. I had kind of came to the conclusion that Clen would be counter productive being diabetic.

 

Clenbuterol is commonly used last few weeks pre-comp as an aid to increasing metabolic rate.. If its action might augment a medical condition then don't use it..

 

Eat fewer calories and exercise more..!!

 

There's conflicting data regarding clenbuterol and insulin resistance: 

 

The present in vivo results demonstrate that the attenuation of insulin resistance by clenbuterol is accompanied by an increase in insulin-stimulated glucose uptake and glycogen synthesis in adipose and skeletal muscle tissues.

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/280/4/E554.short

[Daz42]

1 hour ago, Daz69 said:

 

Clenbuterol is commonly used last few weeks pre-comp as an aid to increasing metabolic rate.. If its action might augment a medical condition then don't use it..

 

Eat fewer calories and exercise more..!!

 

There's conflicting data regarding clenbuterol and insulin resistance: 

 

The present in vivo results demonstrate that the attenuation of insulin resistance by clenbuterol is accompanied by an increase in insulin-stimulated glucose uptake and glycogen synthesis in adipose and skeletal muscle tissues.

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/280/4/E554.short

Thanks for that- interesting read. Considering I am already very insulin sensitive as proved my the little dosages I am on, even if clen was to raise blood sugar levels a little, I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem. Nethertheless I'll run it by my doctor

[Wookie]

Kinda on topic. A certain strongman was apparently on so much IGF-1 that he was having to drink a 1.5l coke every 3-4 hours or he would get tremors.

Is that possible or likely rubbish?

[Daz42]

3 hours ago, Wookie said:

Kinda on topic. A certain strongman was apparently on so much IGF-1 that he was having to drink a 1.5l coke every 3-4 hours or he would get tremors.

Is that possible or likely rubbish?

Possibly- although IGF-1 isn't exactly the same as insulin, it's pretty similar and can cause hypos in large doses

[Wookie]

Just now, Daz42 said:

Possibly- although IGF-1 isn't exactly the same as insulin, it's pretty similar and can cause hypos in large doses

Consider myself as a noob, the guy just told me insulin, I just assumed IGF-1 was the same thing.

[Daz69]

7 hours ago, Wookie said:

Consider myself as a noob, the guy just told me insulin, I just assumed IGF-1 was the same thing.

 

Big difference, insulin is pretty easy to obtain, pharma IGF-1 is as rare as  hens teeth...

[woody]

daz... first off id be real carefull dropping your insulin so much,as a rule you shouldnt really go under half your usual requirements,insulin is responsable for more than just glucose control,unfortunately being a type one diabetic isnt really suited to the b/b lifestyle.dont get me wrong ,i admire you for giving it a go.but you will have far more difficulty reaching the nesarcarylevels in competitive b/b.if your dieting and dropping your insulin keep a very close eye on your ketones levels.if you plan on doing a cycle do some research on individual steroids and how they effect blood glucose.ive found deca raises my glucose levels considerably at times.not sure how this would impact a diabetic taking insulin,test for example may lower your insulin needs while deca may mean an increase.the best adv ice i can give you if you chose to cycle,is continuous glucose checks,every 2 hrs if posible.even then i think you'll find control difficult,and would take as long as cycle to see a particular pattern,could be a period of under and over compensating insulin to get that glucose balance under control.because of the nature of your disease your undertaking a difficult sport feild...in saying the diebetic isnt suited to b/b ,im talking to competitve b/b,and not suggesting it carnt be done just you will encounter things a non diabetic doesnt even need to consider,as far as the lifestyle,it is well suited.im sure your nutritionous and diabetic specialist will try to sway you away from certain b/b practice,but do your own research..dont even consider steroids unless your totally committed to not only your diet and training but to the extra control youll need to keep with your diabetes.personally think you should leave the roids till your fully confident with your diabetes,which can take years.

[Pseudonym]

On 9/04/2016 at 10:15 AM, woody said:

if you plan on doing a cycle do some research on individual steroids and how they effect blood glucose.ive found deca raises my glucose levels considerably at times. not sure how this would impact a diabetic taking insulin,test for example may lower your insulin needs while deca may mean an increase.

Would it be a good idea to use a short estered steroid, so that if it all turns pear-shaped the OP can abort quickly? Or are the spikes from a shorter ester likely to exacerbate any insulin fluctuations?

[woody]

tbh im not sure if a short ester would effect things any differently,but in respect of them being a quick out,seems a good idea.i do think steroids will be alot more difficult for him,but then so is life in general for a type 1 diabetic,so many think insulin iis a cure,and dont realize just how much work sufferers have to put into it,i wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy.

[Chemo]

Hey bro. 

Interesting post. Let me know how it goes,or PM me if you want to chat. I recently got the beetus too. Almost a year ago. I've used before but not as a diabetic, I'll eventually try another cycle but I'm in no rush. Diabetic keto acidosis fukt my shit up fam. 

I think mainly tren igf gh and t3 will be the substances that a diabetic will struggle with. Either draging you low or high. But these are things we can measure and once we know how we react, we can adjust to them. I don't think it's really gonna be a huge hurdle. It's just the basics of keeping blood glucose in the ideal range. 

 

Also don't obsess over insulin sensitivity. It's important for sure. But some things that raise your insulin sensitivity. Say nicotine or tren. Will often increase glucose partitioning through other pathways. We can't be ultra insulin sensitive otherwise we'd pull all the glucose out of our blood and go hypo. Just to put that in perspective. anyway It's nothing a good Google won't solve if your worried. 

Start with some mild compounds. Make a plan, Get to researching. 

 

Also Give Colette Nelson and Jason Poston a Google. Type 1 diabetic figure athletes. Jason finished second in the O last year for physique. 

I believe they are both fans of cyclical ketogenic diets, and have some good knowledge behind them. They also do coaching programs if your really committed to making it work. 

 

Only times I've had issues with going over my goal calories is when I f*ck up my insulin and go low. Then incoming jelly beans. 

Also, u mentioned you reach 10mmol? How often is that.? That's on the high side. That along with your lows may indicate your overusing your long acting, and underusing your short acting insulins. Another thing to take note is that if we go too low or too high, we start dumping electrolytes which can of course effect training  but overall life too. 

Your insulin use looks good though, id be interested to know your hba1c.

 

I've moved to a carb nite diet. Which is keto with a carb meal every few days. It makes it super easy to manage insulin and lows. I'm on about 5-8 units on insulin a day now. (Protophane)

If the current trend continues it will be even lower. 

 

I've also got a PDF of a doctor's manual to diabetes, including detailed info on insulin absorption/rate of action for various brands and it has just more specific info than what the diabetes clinic has to offer. If your keen. 

 

Good luck bro. 

C

[woody]

chemo...very interesting reply,can you tell me why your "it seems"trying to take as least insulin as poss,i ask as a close friend .a type one diabetic of 40 years,went down that path thinking less was better,he to followed a ketos diet.he got to the stage his insulin requirements were extremely low,according to blood glucose balance,however .from what i understand his insulin dosing was so low he ended up very ill.bordering a mental and physical breakdown.apparantly his insulin was sufficient to control blood glucose but fell short in other areasincluding distibution of certain brain chemicals,...your thoughts?

[Chemo]

Sorry to hear about your friend woody. 

Did he get diabetic ketoacidosis?

If you know what brain chemicals were effected that info would be handy, otherwise I have no idea about that. 

 

My thoughts on why relying less on insulin is a good thing is beacause of how complex the release of insulin (and glucagon) is in a non diabetic, and trying to mimic that with a fancy pen is quite hard. You dont have to go keto, but a low carb diet has shown to do wonders for type 1 diabetics. Much more stable blood sugar generally and better hba1c results.

Switching from a glucose based metabolism to a ketone fat based metabolism allows you to avoid lows, which are the more immediate danger, especially if your active. 

Why swim against the current. 

 

That's beside the point though, no matter your diet, all these things are monitorable. My insulin use is on the "low"side because I'm most likely still making a bit of insulin. What this really means is that my exogenous insulin use is adequate, and that's all it really can be. Enough or not enough.  Your mate and myself can find that out through a c peptide tests, That along with current daily use of insulin, and occasional blood ketone readings, should paint a picture as to why that happened, and if it was to do with a lack of control, or something else. If your friends insulin was so low that it was some of the body's basic functions like neurotransmitters i'd think that you'd be able to pick that up through some form of reading with your glucose or ketone level. It just sounds like ketoacidosis. Perhaps with an imbalance of electrolytes. Which if so, is possibly the worst shit Eva. I feel bad for your mate. 

 

Who knows really, if he couldn't see it coming, it could have been anything. 

 

 

[woody]

cheers...his mindset at the time was less was better,and yes his pancreas at this stage was completely dorment,however there is a point where less can bring some dangers not related to glucose control.you must be in the early stages of type 1 if your still producing some insulin.there is a "honeymoon period"shortley following insulin use were the pancreas starts producing again and control seems almost too easy,unfortunately its very short lived,and wont be long till insulin production stops completely ,were youll need to be very vigilant in your control as it becomes more difficult.your right they say a active lifestyle is very benificial for a diabetic.the thing is you need to become very robot like,the more consistant with time and intensity,the easier good control becomes.however ther are so many varients that can stuff things up,and most have to resort to continuous monitering and adjustment for good control.some one who doesnt exercise ,sits on there arse all day,although its not good for them .can actuaally keep at the same insulin dose day in and day out with a reasonable control.hba 1c results can be deceiving.yo yo ing blood sugars can give a good result.but in reality poor control.