First Post First Cycle. Man Up Time!

[GyzzBrah]

1 hour ago, Daz69 said:

 

Natural testosterone synthesis..

 

Yo daz so if someone has naturally good test levels and has a shutdown post cycle that would probably be horrible for them if they cant produce the same levels naturally again.

But lets say if someone has naturally low T, and then gets shut down, will the effects be less or even more severe? Like are the negative effects proportional to the persons test levels etc?

 

i.e person 1 has 20ngwhateverunitofmeasurement and post cycle its 10, and if person 2 has 7ng whatever pre cycle, what will happen to them?

[Pseudonym]

...Hypothetically speaking, eh, Gyzzbrah?

 

@WheelerWannabe - we've sort of moved off your original topic, I'm afraid. If you're still on the cycle, and want to keep this as your log, let me know and I'll tidy these posts into their own topic.

[maccaz]

3 hours ago, GyzzBrah said:

 

Yo daz so if someone has naturally good test levels and has a shutdown post cycle that would probably be horrible for them if they cant produce the same levels naturally again.

But lets say if someone has naturally low T, and then gets shut down, will the effects be less or even more severe? Like are the negative effects proportional to the persons test levels etc?

 

i.e person 1 has 20ngwhateverunitofmeasurement and post cycle its 10, and if person 2 has 7ng whatever pre cycle, what will happen to them?

 

In my opinion and experience any pre existing mental health issue (or disability in your language) will be heavily exacerbated by any exogenous hormone use. 

 

I think in your specific case doing so would be a complete recipe for disaster not just if/when you were to come off but while levels are high also. 

 

Inb4 gyzz test levels are doubled and he gets the impulsiveness to act out all the fucked shit he says on the internet (y'all heard it here first) 

 

Gyzz : get yourself sorted out before taking gear. Not even trying to be a dickhead and i enjoy getting smart to you often but dont wanna see you spin out lol.

[Daz69]

5 hours ago, GyzzBrah said:

 

Yo daz so if someone has naturally good test levels and has a shutdown post cycle that would probably be horrible for them if they cant produce the same levels naturally again.

But lets say if someone has naturally low T, and then gets shut down, will the effects be less or even more severe? Like are the negative effects proportional to the persons test levels etc?

 

i.e person 1 has 20ngwhateverunitofmeasurement and post cycle its 10, and if person 2 has 7ng whatever pre cycle, what will happen to them?

 

I'd be making an educated guess, but if both are shut down they'red feel like crap.... 

Mentally it might hit someone with pre-shutdown normal levels harder because it would be a bigger drop for them..

As opposed to someone with low levels to start with, they'red feel like crap anyway, maybe just slightly more..

 

Gyzz, I thought your levels were normal, but on the low side of normal..? Maybe look at some dietary modifications..

[Daz69]

11 hours ago, jimmybro1 said:

@Daz69 how is your cardiovascular system ? are you still experiencing issues? what tests would you recommend people to cycle to have done to keep an eye on this ? There have been many professional bodybuilders and likely powerlifters (not so well documented IMO) who have had heart complications in there 40s. 

 

 

BP is better than previous, 12 lead shows previous LVH is no longer present on ECG.. As for fibrosis, thickening of myocardium, arterial stenosis, cardiac lesions, or reduced ejection fraction I don't know..     

 

As for tests other than what I can do at work, an echocardiogram would measure ejection fraction, which in turn would give a more accurate stroke volume and cardiac output.. Ultrasound of major arteries (such as  carotid) might give indication of atheroslerotic build up...

 

There are plenty papers out there to suggest androgens are implicated in cardiovascular problems, not just on pro-bodybuilders either.. I've read recently of research subjects on TRT dose having greater frequency of heart attacks.. 

 

I believe I've posted extensively on this, somewhere...

[WheelerWannabe]

Still here, they are interesting reads, so I dont mind if they stay or go. Im learning.

 

I pinned again on friday, because im a cheap bastard and dont wanna waste it lol and at 23 im more or less there so what the heack others have started before but its relative to the person so we shall see.

 

If I feel funny Ill book it to a trt/mens health doctor and hopefully they will be on track to help me out with what ever I need. I will probably go anyways.

 

Im sitting at 92kg right now and eating heaps. I can still see ab so im not to fissed about dialing diet, but I wont be stupid at the same time. Ima whole food, chicken over cake/cookies typa guy anyways.

 

Im off the 5x5 I made some strength gains there. And onto Arnolds volume workout

https://www.muscleandstrength.com/workouts/arnold-schwarzenegger-volume-workout-routines

 

Im doing the second variation. Ive hit chest, back and legs, so far and am feeling good. Ill finish out my test booster as there aint much left and will continue the creatine.

 

Current feed and it was free :)

Beef, chicken breast, two types of salads, cous cous, kumara quiche, and potato. Anabolic fuuuuck.

 Ima eat this, rest, and as soon as they start to take the food away get that second plate haha

[jimmybro1]

Your got a good attitude bro should get good results. 

 

As for men's clinic I wouldn't bother. Get your bloods done post cycle and monitor LH, FST and total test to see what your recovery is like once your come off. 

 

I think the half live of test e is somewhere around 17 days so I would wait at least two half lives before testing bloods if your not running pct after your last jab. 

 

To get bloods done just go to a path lab or whatever is in your area and get a private test costs like 50$ or go to gp and ask for a hormone panel some gp's don't like doing this though . 

[Realtalk]

Half life of enanthate ester is 5-6 days.

[WheelerWannabe]

I wanted to run bloods before but I had that test booster in me so it wouldnt have been a true base reading. Im wanting to go for a full check up about half way through, or just soon rather.

Was having some sharp chest pains after I hit chest.  On the right side so away from my heart but I was having to breath shallow to keep from expanding to much.

I dont think it was muscular soreness as I could tighten the muscle without triggering pain but its subsiding now. Im thinking I just stained a tendon or something a bit deeper. That was the first proper high volume chest day in a while so that could have done it.

Arms today. Fun day!

[Realtalk]

Otc test booster won't throw base blood levels. They do next to nothing

[HarryB]

1 hour ago, Realtalk said:

Otc test booster won't throw base blood levels. They do next to nothing

 

Someone could have told me this earlier...

[soundsgood]

Well they probably work for old diggers like me and you Harry.  Pretty pointless for 23yo's though

[HarryB]

3 hours ago, soundsgood said:

Well they probably work for old diggers like me and you Harry.  Pretty pointless for 23yo's though

 

They might do but that's kind of like trying a spritzer when you've been drinking tequila you're whole life :)

[WheelerWannabe]

yeah I really just felt like the horny goat weed in the formula is all that was working haha

 

pinned last tues and still feeling good.

 

Im guessing next week should be around the time I feel full results or start noticing bigger changes.

weight yesterday was 93.5 kg

[jimmybro1]

When are you posting pre-cycle pics? 

[bang_bang]

You'll start noticing it week 3-4. 

[Pseudonym]

Good stuff, mate. That's a solid starting point. I'll be interesting to see where you end up.

[WheelerWannabe]

Hey everyone, still going strong at 93kgs.

I feel I look a bit more solid, however that could be from switching to a volume workout. 

I do feel recovery is up though. Im smashing the workouts stated and could probably kill it 2-3days later which is cool.

I noticed im also dripping sweat the whole workout as well, which im not sure if thats from the gear or whatever. I do hit bout 10mins hard cardio to warm up but im pouring while lifting. Workouts are really good though. Im getting good pumps in the gym.

 

Diet is usually:

 

Morning

8am

30-35g protein. Whey and casein. 5gCreatine

Yogurt

 

10:30

Chicken avocado samich from the bakery/leftover dinner/ or dig into my lunch early

 

Lunch12

Some whole food meal till full.

Today was chicken breast, broc, kumara N white potato. Glass of water, 1-2 glass of milk

 

3-4pm

Protein!!!

22-30g powder

 

6-8pm

TRAIN

  

8:30pm

22g protein powder if hungry & dinner right after. Lastnight was porkchops, broc. Tonight salmon fillet, broc or greenbeens 

 

10:30-11pm

Casein protein if peckish.

 

This isnt very "scientific" in approach as bodybuilders today would go about it,

but more golden era. Ive been reading up more on Reg Park, Frank Zane and Serge Nubret and it seems back then it was eat when you want, as much whole food as you want whilst not being stupid obviously.  

Serge said he ate 6-8lbs of horse meat a day in two sittings!

 

So if your getting your daughter a pony for her birthday... dont invite me.

 

 

[maccaz]

2 minutes ago, WheelerWannabe said:

Hey everyone, still going strong at 93kgs.

I feel I look a bit more solid, however that could be from switching to a volume workout. 

I do feel recovery is up though. Im smashing the workouts stated and could probably kill it 2-3days later which is cool.

I noticed im also dripping sweat the whole workout as well, which im not sure if thats from the gear or whatever. I do hit bout 10mins hard cardio to warm up but im pouring while lifting. Workouts are really good though. Im getting good pumps in the gym.

 

Diet is usually:

 

Morning

8am

30-35g protein. Whey and casein. 5gCreatine

Yogurt

 

10:30

Chicken avocado samich from the bakery/leftover dinner/ or dig into my lunch early

 

Lunch12

Some whole food meal till full.

Today was chicken breast, broc, kumara N white potato. Glass of water, 1-2 glass of milk

 

3-4pm

Protein!!!

22-30g powder

 

6-8pm

TRAIN

  

8:30pm

22g protein powder if hungry & dinner right after. Lastnight was porkchops, broc. Tonight salmon fillet, broc or greenbeens 

 

10:30-11pm

Casein protein if peckish.

 

This isnt very "scientific" in approach as bodybuilders today would go about it,

but more golden era. Ive been reading up more on Reg Park, Frank Zane and Serge Nubret and it seems back then it was eat when you want, as much whole food as you want whilst not being stupid obviously.  

Serge said he ate 6-8lbs of horse meat a day in two sittings!

 

So if your getting your daughter a pony for her birthday... dont invite me.

 

 

fair enough winging it a bit but maybe calculate a day and make sure you are eating enough

 

[WheelerWannabe]

Hey guys all is well. Still going strong and training hard.

 

Good News im up to 95Kg! 5Kg increase since the beginning whooop!

 

Changes right now would be weight obviously, it looks like its gone to my chest which is cool. Good quick pumps in the gym. Strength is up a bit and my muscles feel harder.

 

The workout program is pretty hard, but I always push through. Its pretty damn long and I make sure to go heavy and push hard the whole time.

 

No side effects yet really, knock on wood. Like a week and a half ago I had a panic attack that I was getting gyno haha. I was up until 2am reading every bloody forum ever written on the onset of gyno. The mate convinced me to relax and I have been fine no growth or anything like that. I think my balls are the same size as well.

 

I will take some measurements when I get home and will take some progress pics.

 

 

[Pseudonym]

Good progress mate. As for the gyno... you'll know if it happens - there's no mistaking it!

[WheelerWannabe]

Ok Ladies n Gents

 

Its been one month since I started my cycle of Test E at 200mg a week and I have re-weighed and measured myself to gauge the results... and Im happy!

 

My Measurements January 12 2016:

 

5'9         90KG

Biceps: 43cm

Quads: 65cm

Waist: 86cm

Calfs: 40cm

Forearms: 32cm

Neck: 38cm

Chest: 117cm (lats flared not sure if they were supposed to be or not)

 

My Measurements February 15 2016:

 

5'9         96.8 KG

Biceps: 46cm

Quads: 67cm

Waist: 86cm

Calfs: 43cm

Forearms: 36cm

Neck: 42cm

Chest: 119cm (lats flared not sure if they were supposed to be or not)

 

 

Yeeeeeesssss!!!!!

[WheelerWannabe]

Ok Folks,

 

So at this point I have a moderate idea of pinning and what testosterone does in and to my body. The next thing I want to look at/learn about now is coming off and having the natural test production start again.

 

Ive heard this sucks :/

 

Basically the opposite of what im feeling now will come into affect after my last pin. Not only will I dip down but lower then I was before. Depression, Low libido, Lack of energy, loss of strength.

 

Basically whats the best way to combat this?

What can/ should I expect?

Will running Test E and its nature basically self taper? or make a difference?

When should I start feeling this way?

Would running a test booster help or be harmful after I get off/ just to boost libido(horny goat weed) and mood?

How long will this last before I feel back to normal?

I go back home for the month of may, have I just screwed my vacation?

 

My plan as of now is touch down and find a multvitamin, Taurine, and  fish oil(testbooster?). I am working on getting some clomid possibly, then signing onto a gym to keep my strength and size up for the month that I am away. My idea would be to go back to 5x5 to try and keep strength the same.

 

What are your experiences coming off, story time!!!

 

 

 

[bang_bang]

It's not as bad as some people make out. Well it wasn't for me anyway. I came off after being on for a year, didn't do any pct and apart from low sex drive I felt fine. Lost a fair bit of strength but could still bench 3 plates after 5 months off and I wasn't getting any weaker. If your susceptible to depression then your probably in for a bad time  

[maccaz]

13 minutes ago, bang_bang said:

It's not as bad as some people make out. Well it wasn't for me anyway. I came off after being on for a year, didn't do any pct and apart from low sex drive I felt fine. Lost a fair bit of strength but could still bench 3 plates after 5 months off and I wasn't getting any weaker. If your susceptible to depression then your probably in for a bad time  

 

this

iv done both with nolva and without.

just tapering off or cold turkey is 100x better in terms of how i felt vs taking nolvadex

 

real individual thing tho so gotta find out what works for you, 1 person could be sweet and the next person could get some side effects from just stopping.