Nutritionist

[_jco]

I just competed in NZIFBB physique division and I noticed a lot of people had nutritionist. All the guys that had them had pretty good conditioning. I was happy with mine. I got to stage ready body fat.

 

What do these nutritionist/coach teach these guys? Do they just lower their calories untill they are loosing fat?

 

There were 3 people that have been training less than me and they are bigger and more conditioned. I was wondering if there's even a point in getting one if I plan to compete in the future.

[Realtalk]

If you don't have good knowledge then might pay to get one. However a lot of these people in the bodybuilding community who call themselves nutritionist have poor knowledge themselves. They call themselves prep coaches but when I see their training videos, ideas and principles of training they are the last people I would want helping me with any kind of comp prep... I can just tell that their nutrition ideas would be nothing but overcomplicated nonsense and that the basics don't work just like the attitudes they apply to their training.

The good thing about them is they are someone independent to be accountable too. Checking in weekly will let you know if you are on track or not.

Many good ones out there. Also many shit ones out there... The shit ones are probably the busiest because they spend all day on social media prompting themselves where as good ones just let their results speak for them.

[trainlikeafreak]

Na the shit ones are the ones who sound busy on Facebook but then constantly post how they all of a sudden have a few time slots freed up that will fill fast and does anyone want them lol.

Having a coach can be a great idea. People who know me from Facebook will know I encourage people to ask their coach why this/that is done. This 1) lets you learn along the way and 2) shows you that there is purpose behind what you are doing and that they know what they are talking about.

End of the day if you are happy with how you are going keep doing it but if you think you can progress more under someone else then why not give it a go. I'm sure you will make an informed decision with who you choose and because of that you will probably learn a thing or two and you can't put a price on knowledge

[Pseudonym]

People who know me from Facebook will know I encourage people to ask their coach why this/that is done. This 1) lets you learn along the way and 2) shows you that there is purpose behind what you are doing and that they know what they are talking about.

^ So much this!

 

Nothing shows up a quack PT faster than asking "Why?" And if their answer doesn't make sense, run the other way!

[Rebel101]

^ So much this!

Nothing shows up a quack PT faster than asking "Why?" And if their answer doesn't make sense, run the other way!

The trouble any quack can baffle people with shit today.

When it comes to nutrition few people know bodybuilding nutrition, as a sport we lead nutrition standards because Aylmer would say we experiment on ourselves. Those that get bigger are copied and so on!

Personally l choose someone who has the experience of managing many different physiques a skill l cannot hope to replicate. And when that nutritionist also happens to be able to connect the nutrition directly to your workouts even better.

[Riccardo]

Lead nutrition standards? Most bodybuilding nutrition promoted is neurotic, unhealthy, unsustainable and borderline eating disorder lol

[HarryB]

The best course of action imo is to speak to a few people and do your own research. Apply what makes sense and work from there. No one... and I mean no one is ever going to be as invested in your success as you are.

Getting lean is simple in process it just requires a whole lot of discipline. Managing your water at the end can be complex and managing your drugs complicates that process further. But educate yourself. That's the key imo.

[trainlikeafreak]

The best course of action imo is to speak to a few people and do your own research. Apply what makes sense and work from there. No one... and I mean no one is ever going to be as invested in your success as you are.

Getting lean is simple in process it just requires a whole lot of discipline. Managing your water at the end can be complex and managing your drugs complicates that process further. But educate yourself. That's the key imo.

but what about us lazy ones who can't be bothered being proactive and educating ourselves when we can easily just get someone to do t for us?

[HarryB]

but what about us lazy ones who can't be bothered being proactive and educating ourselves when we can easily just get someone to do t for us?

Just takes heaps of gear... hopefully die from it

[Rebel101]

Lead nutrition standards? Most bodybuilding nutrition promoted is neurotic, unhealthy, unsustainable and borderline eating disorder lol

I am glad you said most, for those who commit to the sport and prescribe to serious training and development the science that is nutrition has to be sustainable and provide for growth.

On those who are there simply to get skinny for a competition they will do it by any means possible, and yes these people have nutritional standards that leave alot to be desired. They say they are body building but are really body denigrating.

Eating for growth and the ability to train seriously is hard, really hard!

[Boosting]

I am glad you said most, for those who commit to the sport and prescribe to serious training and development the science that is nutrition has to be sustainable and provide for growth.

On those who are there simply to get skinny for a competition they will do it by any means possible, and yes these people have nutritional standards that leave alot to be desired. They say they are body building but are really body denigrating.

Eating for growth and the ability to train seriously is hard, really hard!

I think his point was that bodybuilding is unhealthy. Using drugs to get bigger is unhealthy. Being big is unhealthy. Starving yourself for a comp is unhealthy. Just because you are strict/informed with your nutrition to acheive a result doesnt make it healthy.

I have noticed from past posts too that you seem to think bodybuilding is healthy. Youre kidding yourself.

[Rebel101]

I think his point was that bodybuilding is unhealthy. Using drugs to get bigger is unhealthy. Being big is unhealthy. Starving yourself for a comp is unhealthy. Just because you are strict/informed with your nutrition to acheive a result doesnt make it healthy.

I have noticed from past posts too that you seem to think bodybuilding is healthy. Youre kidding yourself.

Training consistently hard and injury free for a period of three and a half years is not achieved in an unhealthy state.

Speak for yourself by all means if you feel that your nutritional standards are lacking as a body builder but please do not even try to assess my level of health given that you know nothing about me!

[Gym rat]

Since I am doing my own coaching for my comp in Wellington I pretty much look after my own nutrition by getting info off diffrent websites. Like bodybuilding.com. Flexonline,YouTube videos etc. if I am feeling tired or run down for that matter of speaking by having a refeed meal by keeping the macros fairly clean without using any prosces food which I class has a cheat meal for offseason .

[Boosting]

Training consistently hard and injury free for a period of three and a half years is not achieved in an unhealthy state.

Speak for yourself by all means if you feel that your nutritional standards are lacking as a body builder but please do not even try to assess my level of health given that you know nothing about me!

Keep kidding yourself that bodybuilding is healthy or that you are a special case then.

[Rebel101]

Keep kidding yourself that bodybuilding is healthy or that you are a special case then.

You are right, it is my right to live my life my way. At least I do not make assumptions or criterise other people.

At least I am not claiming to be an expert on others health or nutrition status! Come to mention it isn't that what everyone is so opposed to, armchair warriors that sit back making broad generalisations and are actually experts on nothing!

[Realtalk]

Since I am doing my own coaching for my comp in Wellington I pretty much look after my own nutrition by getting info off diffrent websites. Like bodybuilding.com. Flexonline,YouTube videos etc. if I am feeling tired or run down for that matter of speaking by having a refeed meal by keeping the macros fairly clean without using any prosces food which I class has a cheat meal for offseason .

So you going to fire yourself at the end of it? Or how's that work man?

[HarryB]

So you going to fire yourself at the end of it? Or how's that work man?

Surely not going to accept the blame... unheard of.

[maccaz]

Plot twist gym rat (the coach) fires gym rat (the client) for cheating on the diet and not telling him

[Boosting]

You are right, it is my right to live my life my way. At least I do not make assumptions or criterise other people.

At least I am not claiming to be an expert on others health or nutrition status! Come to mention it isn't that what everyone is so opposed to, armchair warriors that sit back making broad generalisations and are actually experts on nothing!

Youre making an assumption that im making assumptions about you.

Its just pretty obvious to anyone who isnt retarded that bodybuilding isnt particularly healthy.

[Pseudonym]

You are right, it is my right to live my life my way. At least I do not make assumptions or criterise other people.

Relax Rebel - they're not having a go at you!

 

All they're saying is that if being healthy is your primary goal, competitive bodybuilding is not 100% healthy. If nothing else, it stresses the body (but so do many other sports). And for many competitors, throw in the over-training, metabolic disruption, and often drugs - then yes, it's far from "healthy".

 

But that's not why people do it, or any other sport at a competitive level.

[Rebel101]

The whole issue is that broad assumptions cannot be made, this is exactly why the so called nutritionists are running amuck.

Too much generalist knowledge, and not enough wisdom.

[trainlikeafreak]

Bodybuilding doesn't have to be unhealthy. Not if you're natural anyway.

[HarryB]

And yeah they're having a go at you rebel. I imagine it's because they think of bodybuilding as the drug addled sport that it is. .. as a sport it's not healthy but as a pursuit and something to do.. then it's not so unhealthy. I mean bodybuilding is eating clean and working out to be in good shape. The stage aspect, the drugs and all that shit isn't particularly health... but how can eating clean and working out to change your body be deemed unhealthy.

[nate225]

Let's summarise by saying bodybuilding training & eating is relatively healthy bit competitive bodybuilding is about on par with drinking ten beers a day (along with a packet of Winfields) while sitting at the pokies...make it 20 beers if your not natty and competing lol

[trainlikeafreak]

A lot of the time being unhealthy is self inflicted anyway. Probably because there is this huge misconception that to be any good you need to take grams upon grams of drugs and come off once every 5 years. Then as soon as someone good says otherwise they are a liar lol. I think of a lot of people religiously stuck to a tailored meal plan and trained like a BODYBUILDER (not an egotistical meat head) for 12 months, whilst halving their mgs.. They would get a shock at their results. Now before anyone says anything I realise im a nobody as far as bodybuilding goes but what I have done is make some good and noticeable improvements to my body with no gear whatsoever. It's not about the drugs it's about consistency.