Competing against steroids

[2guns]

will be intersting to see who and how many get tested next weekend though..

[michaelk]

You want to sell more tickets to events then remove the testing. because the big guys always attract a crowd.

I don't know about this, there's plenty of friends and family who turn up to support all classes, and then leave before the end of the night.

Personally I was tested 3 times last year, once in competition, and have heard of a the testers turning up to a small northland town at christmas to test a figure competitor.

My opinion is based on a financial understanding I have that SPARC have not been providing the expected financial support over the past years, so feel we should look at dropping them and administering it ourselves however the members want. We need to remember that whilst the majorityof us on this site are a little more hardcore and favour the big bodybuilding attitudes, the majority of our members and competitors over the year are most likely (and MasterTel can likely confirm this with statistics) female figure/fitness competitors.

The class mentioned, is in fact an idea for a show to be put on with a Pro card up for grabs, but qualifiacation for the show would be required...whether this would bring out the crowds has yet to be seen , as we have seen from the INBA womens events, maybe a specialist comp might be too small to sustain, and should be ran as a class at a show. Right now it is in the concept stage, but it is exciting to have many people with successful business support putting their heads together and hands up as to how they can boost the sport in NZ.

Hope to see you all at the Auckland show.....and c'mon Team New Zealand!!!

for those of you who weren't aware, one of the Oracle grinders was Scott Crawford, former Athletic National Champ.

[Pseudonym]

Muscleroids - you quoted me as saying "I heard he tested positive. Thats what he told his so called mates if it's true" - that must your comment, not mine. I guess you just inserted the comment in the wrong place? :?

I've just tidied up that quote for Muscleroids. By the way, MasterTel, I just want to say thanks for representing the Federation here. It's much appreciated.

[MasterTel]

It's my pleasure, Pseudonym, and thanks for amending that post. I realise it was a typo, but I didn't want others to think I made that comment.

I'm happy to convey as much information as I can about the NZFBB - I consider it to be one of my duties as an Executive Member.

I know some people think we have things to hide or cover up at times, but that's not the case. Too many times rumours or speculation is spread about when a few simple questions could be resolved with simple answers to clear things up.

Hey - great post, Mike K .. it's that sort of attitude combined with your top performances on the competition stage that makes this sport a joy to be involved with. :nod:

[ED_AISH]

For my 2c worth I think the testing should stay, it would not be a sport I would be interested in continuing with if I had to use, and correct me if I am wrong but it is illegal to use steroids is it not? There will always be those that cheat the system but even if it is for public perception I think the testing has its place and it makes me happier being part of the sport.

[2guns]

it would not be a sport I would be interested in continuing with if I had to use,

if the nzfbb dropped the testing it doesnt mean everyone whos natural has to start using.

alot of the time the natural guys beat the gear users because its hard for the guys on juice to come in 100% if they dont do it right.

[2guns]

have been natural since day 1 but i think it's time the nzfbb took a look at their current drug testing policy

so diamond... u have not used protein or creatine from day one lol? :pfft: :pfft:

[Andrew]

so diamond... u have not used protein or creatine from day one lol?

So if you use protein powder your not natural?

alot of the time the natural guys beat the gear users because its hard for the guys on juice to come in 100% if they dont do it right.

That’s one hell of a copout

[Marcus]

How are people getting around the testing ?

What 2guns said & also hitting the gear in the offseason & timing it so they were confident of passing any tests in competition.

alot of the time the natural guys beat the gear users because its hard for the guys on juice to come in 100% if they dont do it right.

I don't agree with this. How is it harder? It's easier to lose bodyfat when you're carrying more muscle. I think the enhanced boys tend to be a bit lazy & can't get into condition.

[diamond]

have been natural since day 1 but i think it's time the nzfbb took a look at their current drug testing policy

so diamond... u have not used protein or creatine from day one lol? :pfft: :pfft:

protein powder and creatine ? whats that 2 guns ?

i just take 3 boxes of cocoa pops a day to build muscle , i thought that's what everyone did ? :wink:

[2guns]

So if you use protein powder your not natural?

it was a joke andrew, dont stress buddy im not accusing u of using anything, wateva u use or dont use is your choice. dnt be scared to ask for help tho

[2guns]

I think the enhanced boys tend to be a bit lazy & can't get into condition.

maybe this is part of it yes

[diamond]

So if you use protein powder your not natural?

it was a joke andrew, dont stress buddy im not accusing u of using anything, wateva u use or dont use is your choice. dnt be scared to ask for help tho

i know it was a joke bro :wink:

matt tells me you are looking sharp. will be good to catch up with you at the show.

[2guns]

i know it was a joke bro

matt tells me you are looking sharp. will be good to catch up with you at the show.

hmm yeah am holding alot of water 8 days out.. tht will get sorted though i hope next week

[MUSCLEROIDS]

Think you Pseudonym for amending my post. And MasterTel you did not say that comment I did.

Mike K WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS STILL NO GOOD FOR THE ONE'S THAT HAVE NATURAL HIGH TESTOSTERONE TO GET INTO THAT CLASS AS THEY WILL BE TESTED.

So guys what can we all come up with that will work and make every one happy as the AGM is next weekend

[MasterTel]

The way I see it, an ideal scenario would be if we (NZFBB) do our own testing, but limit the testing to novice and age-restricted classes. Open competitors of maybe some special Elite classes would be exempt from testing. This will help encourage the juniors, novices etc off the "juice" until they are nearer their genetic potential before using, those who want to compete against other "natural" competitors can do so with more assurance that the other competitors are also "clean", and the Open or Elite competitors can compete without fear of failing a test.

The big drawback to this would be to find enough $$$ to do sufficient testing, and of an adequate standard.

[2guns]

This will help encourage the juniors, novices etc off the "juice" until they are nearer their genetic potential before using

not to sounds stupid or anything but i think alot of juniors and novice guys like to use the juice in those classes so they can get big in those classes so then when there time is up and they have to move to open they are big enough to be competitive in the open class, this is the way i see it anyway. so i dnt think tht method would discourage it anyless

[MUSCLEROIDS]

Ok MasterTel what about this

NZFBB Novice, juniors and age-restricted classes where it's still tested

And than IFBB-NPC for open, Elite and aged?

To run the two off them they would need to have a 1/2 hour break to start a new show.

Or what about having 3 shows a year like this and doing it in Auckland ,Wellington and Christchurch.

[Dumbelldog]

:smoke: 8) Might be interesting to put that forward at the meeting Mastertel. As you suggested it mightn't work having the NZFBB doing their own testing two problems that spring to mind.

1 It would be expensive as suggested especially to test enough athletes to make it worthwhile.

2 There could be controversy over who's being tested favouritism etc, not that I think that way but I guarantee some people will. At the moment it is conducted by an independent organisation, if it is done "In house" what control is there?

[Marcus]

not to sounds stupid or anything but i think alot of juniors and novice guys like to use the juice in those classes so they can get big in those classes so then when there time is up and they have to move to open they are big enough to be competitive in the open class, this is the way i see it anyway. so i dnt think tht method would discourage it anyless

The only way to police that would be to test one person it each class, which could be a costly exercise.

[2guns]

The only way to police that would be to test one person it each class, which could be a costly exercise.

exactly! which is y i say if u dont have the money/resources to do something properly dont do it at all!

[michaelk]

Mike K WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS STILL NO GOOD FOR THE ONE'S THAT HAVE NATURAL HIGH TESTOSTERONE TO GET INTO THAT CLASS AS THEY WILL BE TESTED.

they will, but there are many other more accurate tests than the epitest to test ratio, that is more of a preliminary test for anomilies.

The way I see it, an ideal scenario would be if we (NZFBB) do our own testing, but limit the testing to novice and age-restricted classes. Open competitors of maybe some special Elite classes would be exempt from testing.

Best idea yet, may not be perfect, but it will suit those that want to see the clean physiques and those that want to hang around for the big show.

As the saying goes you can't please everyone all the time, but by talking about it we are at least more likely to get a consensus where we please most of the people most of the time.

The testing would have to be organized exceptionally transperant, so we all know who's getting tested and how they are selected.

Remember, we used to do our own testing AND made a profit :pfft:

[2guns]

did some one say profit!?!?

[MasterTel]

The testing would have to be organized exceptionally transperant, so we all know who's getting tested and how they are selected.

Remember, we used to do our own testing AND made a profit

I agree totally that any "in-house" testing policy would have to be made as open and unbiased at possible. Perhaps find a cheaper form of testing and keep Drug Free NZ to do the selection and testing - but the NZFBB dictates which classes are exempt from testing?

Yes, that is very interesting that a profit was made while the NZFBB did their own testing. This is before my time on the Exec, but I'll certainly be asking for more info at the Exec meeting (following the AGM) next weekend. Mike - can you please email me what info you have on this in the meantime so I can do some more research?

[poos_n_wees]

I think that just because someone competes in a tested federation, it doesn't mean that they are claiming to be natural. If a natural person was to compete in NABBA (and there are many that do) does that mean they are 'juiced'? Or maybe even idiots?

Good point. I've just always thought that those that "used" should compete in NABBA to ensure a level playing field in the NZFBB... if that makes any sense. And naturals could compete in either Federation

But I can see now how that fudges things in regards to pro-cards n whatnot... and how the funding issues play a huge part in testing issues. Interesting!