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Ratzilla journey to the 2015 nabba/wff wellington show in September

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Rebel101 Senior member

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Gymrat has lots of ideas, he does lots of thinking. Many ideas he thinks about and then discards especially if he can see the reasons that the idea is no good.

We have discussed his next years plan and have agreed together that there is a limit to his weight and that is 90 kg, if Gymrat reaches this figure then there are consequences and changes to his nutrition.

I believe Gymrat is serious about his bodybuilding goals and realises that putting on excessive weight just makes his desire of competing more difficult to achieve. This is why he will stick to his goals, not because he is hounded to death over it.

At the moment he is working through post competition cravings, this will settle down as he learns to control it. As for wanting to be 95 kg he knows that if that is what he wants my assistance is useless and will no doubt tell me he does not need my help, but that's his choice..

He is quite capable of deciding what is right for himself given time and space!

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At the moment he is working through post competition cravings, this will settle down as he learns to control it. 

 

how long do post competition cravings normally last?

 

 

Depends on the individual and the amount of restriction incurred in doing the competition, and the mental maturity of the individual. People who have competed many times get to know the process and will move on quicker than those who have only competed a few times.

The key features of this period of eating are that it is unreasonable consumption of food far in excess of what the body needs, the food eaten may not even be what the individual would normally eat. Essentially it is the minds reaction to a period of considerable restriction and limitation beyond what a normal human being would inflict on themselves.

Once you have experienced it a few times you can recognize the responses and moderate them but you have to understand you are eating excessively first.

In Gymrats case for example the more people tell him he is eating too much rubbish the more he will want to eat it just because he can and just to spite those who would restrict him. His only hope is that he will realise that he is just making the next competition harder to achieve and that his body is suffering the consequences of poor nutritional choices (in other words he reasons it through for himself, and understands that those reasons are the best choice for the goals he wants to achieve).

The mind is stronger than the body when the desire to achieve exists.

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Come to think of i am going to ditch that idea of getting up to 95kg and just stick with keeping my weight in the 80's which would make things more easy for me when it comes time start cutting for the wellington show in September. Between now and then I know that I need more size on my delts ,back and legs as well as more defenation . Which will give some good goals to ami for in the next nine months. For next weekend I am going to have clean foods that I have not had in a while sushi or nice foot long tuna subway for example 

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Come to think of i am going to ditch that idea of getting up to 95kg and just stick with keeping my weight in the 80's which would make things more easy for me when it comes time start cutting for the wellington show in September. Between now and then I know that I need more size on my delts ,back and legs as well as more defenation . Which will give some good goals to ami for in the next nine months. For next weekend I am going to have clean foods that I have not had in a while sushi or nice foot long tuna subway for example 

For Gods sake, make up your mind.

stop talking about cheat meals, is that all you think about? Look you should go gorge for one week and satisfy this obsession you have with these foods then come back with that out your system and concentrate on bodybuilding not craving. Serious. 

 

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If the rest of us can eat just about anything we want within moderation and build muscle and not put on fat without the thought of a cheat meal ever coming to mind, then I don't see why bibbys case is any different.

You are not looking at being a competitive body builder there is a big difference!

Personally I totally disagree with the whole concept of cheat meals it's stupid, for heavens sake just eat the right nutritional level to supply constant nutrients and train hard.

Learning about correct nutrition is not easy, so many offer differing systems and methods, ultimately if your knowledge is not perfect then you will benefit from assistance of people more knowledgeable than yourself. Gymrat is just using my help, and as he has chosen this alternative he has to do as I ask or he is going to waste his and my time.

Gymrat is no different than any bodybuilder starting out in the competitive path and learning about the rigors of the diet and training. Most body builders go through what he is going through.

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Diet isnt hard. Just get enough protein then meet the rest of your energh needs with whatever else you want... c/p/f.

Have some complex carbs and protein hour before you train. Have large meal with carbs and protein after you train.

Dunno why this is so hard. Gymrat become a competitive bodybuilder? Get real. At his age and with his body it would be hard enough to be competitive even with gear and a good knowledge of training and nutrition.

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Dunno why this is so hard. Gymrat wont ever be a competitive bodybuilder rebel. Get real. At his age and with his body it would be hard enough to be competitive even with gear and a good knowledge of training and nutrition.

Age has nothing to do with it. There are even catagories/classes for older people.

And it's all relative right. Some people don't want to be the best in the world, they just want to be be the best they can be.  Fluffy bull shit I know, but true.

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Rebel can you confirm how many calories bibby is currently eating? If it's anywhere near 3k then I totally agree with you that there is no reason for cheatmeals at all. If he's having trouble sticking to his diet on a fking surplus, lord knows how he's gonna cope for nabba 2015. If he just dosen't like the taste of the meals, then tough luck, ain't that right bibby!

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Dunno why this is so hard. Gymrat wont ever be a competitive bodybuilder rebel. Get real. At his age and with his body it would be hard enough to be competitive even with gear and a good knowledge of training and nutrition.

Age has nothing to do with it. There are even catagories/classes for older people.

And it's all relative right. Some people don't want to be the best in the world, they just want to be be the best they can be.  Fluffy bull shit I know, but true.

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Rebel can you confirm how many calories bibby is currently eating? If it's anywhere near 3k then I totally agree with you that there is no reason for cheatmeals at all. If he's having trouble sticking to his diet on a fking surplus, lord knows how he's gonna cope for nabba 2015. If he just dosen't like the taste of the meals, then tough luck, ain't that right bibby!

Gymrat is on 2770 cal Monday to Friday and at this point in time is allowed weekends off (please note I do not give him cheat meals), as I have suggested to him he can have three meals on the weekend that deviate from his food plan, the rest of the weekend he has to be more reasonable.

He has the weekends off so that he can feel release from restriction and get the extra food desire out of his system. He is not breaking the nutritional plan I gave him, he is simply talking to Gymnation about all the foods he enjoys, he never dreamt that he would be given so much shit over it.

You guys don't realise how much he enjoys sharing what he is doing with you, he does not mean to complain or boast or anything else he just likes to talk to you.

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Wouldnt it be better to spread his 3 cheat meals throughout the week? Or even make it just 2 cheat meals say 1 on wed and one on sat?

Hes supposed to be in calorie surplus not a deficit though so I dont see point in cheat meals at all? If hes always hungry it means the diet you gave him probably retarded and needs adjusting. Either that or he just has propensity to be fat sack of sht.

And anyway br0 you dont call shots about when debate ends, especially after making ridiculous statements. Good on gymrat for following through and doing comp, but are you blind?

"Being a competitive body builder means competing in a class where you can hold your own and not look out of place"

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Wouldnt it be better to spread his 3 cheat meals throughout the week? Or even make it just 2 cheat meals say 1 on wed and one on sat?

Hes supposed to be in calorie surplus not a deficit though so I dont see point in cheat meals at all? If hes always hungry it means the diet you gave him probably retarded and needs adjusting. Either that or he just has propensity to be fat sack of sht.

If you want to be his trainer please feel free to offer him your services

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Shoulders and calfs 

standing db shoulder press 2x15 7kg's,7kg's,4x15 10kg's,12kg's,15kg's,15kg's

arnold press 4x15 15kg's for the four working sets

db front raise 4x15 7kg's for the four working sets 

bb shurgs 4x15 80kg for the four working sets

calf press 1x15 3pps 4x12 6pps for the four working sets

standing calf raise 4x12 130kg for the four working sets

when I was training this morning talked to a member at work about nationals and my plain for offseason by keeping my weight under 90kg which will make things easy for me when it comes time to start cutting including keeping my bodyfat at good consent level. I enjoy talking about the foods that I was missing while I was preping for the pans and nationals since now iam in offseaon now it is very nice to have the foods that I have been missing like muffins etc, I was competive at the pans and Nats plus I was up against the same two athletes who I competed against when I did the pans. One thing about this year is that I had more mass on me compare to last year when I had bugger all mass on me. Next offseason I will know better to have clean meals instead of having cheat meals on the weekend. It pisses me off when you guys give me shit about talking about cheat meals or the foods the foods that I have been missing for the past six months. Kind of reminds of Former coach of the British lions talking about the tackle by tana umaga on Brian O'driscall during the lions tour of nz in 05 which got very boring over a period of time.

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