The Moment of Truth

[Cameron_R]

I'm curious to know what people think of the revelations made last night?

 

Do you even care? Will it change your vote?

[9762291220]

what revelations?

[Cameron_R]

Summary from a non-NZ news site:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2014/sep/15/kim-dotcom-accused-nz-government-of-mass-spying-live

 

Summary

New Zealand’s election campaign collided with the biggest questions of the internet age on Monday - here’s how this remarkable day went down:

• Documents provided by the whistleblower Edward Snowden reveal that the New Zealand government worked to implement a secret mass surveillance program code-named “Speargun” throughout 2012 and 2013.
• It followed an admission at the weekend by the New Zealand prime minister, John Key, that his government considered a mass-spying proposal after a series of cyber attacks. Key says the proposed surveillance made him “uncomfortable” and that he halted it in March 2013.
• Edward Snowden has weighed in, warning New Zealanders that he was personally able to search their intercepted internet traffic while working as an NSA analyst in Hawai’i. “If you live in New Zealand, you are being watched,” he wrote.
• Key responded by releasing his own declassified documents, which he says prove that no mass spying ever took place.
• Snowden has appeared via live stream at Moment of Truth, an Internet party event at Auckland Town Hall intended to publicise the Speargun revelations. Snowden told the audience that the NSA’s reach extended even to Auckland, where he claimed the agency operated a spy facility.
• Internet entrepreneur Kim Dotcom has pledged to end any mass surveillance of New Zealanders if he fledgling political party wins the balance of power at this Saturday’s general election. “We’ll close one of the five eyes,” Dotcom said, in reference to the intelligence-sharing agreement between Australia, the US, the UK, New Zealand and Canada.

 

[Realtalk]

Show me the hard evidence.

thats what it comes down to. Just hot air and bullshit, extradite the fat German. To some prison in the middle of butt f*ck and no where, USA. Where he will be held for years before trial and rot in there.

[9762291220]

Its pretty common knowledge that anything you do online may be watched by governments and has been for a long time. It is not in the best interests of the majority of people to have this however it is in the interest of the minority who hold the majority of the wealth. They always gonna be inventing/creating new enemies to justify spying on their own people. Bet ISIS/IS causes some new "anti terrorism" laws in aus/nz. I expect there will even be a bombing/attack of some kind which will be used as justification for a particularly harsh peice of legislation.

Their real enemies are people and groups who pose a threat to their hold and/or expansion on wealth and power.

[GyzzBrah]

^ What's your tumblr and Instagram?

[9762291220]

Read the other thread

[GyzzBrah]

Which one? Just tell me the profile name lol.

[Cameron_R]

I'm curious to know what people think of the revelations made last night?

 

Do you even care? Will it change your vote?

I'll take that as an overwhelming "don't give shit" from the forum membership. LOL

 

Do you even politics

[Pseudonym]

I think it was a massive error on the part of Kim Dotcom to include his own wacky conspiracy theories in this, which seem to be based on dubious evidence at best.

There are enough experienced politicians and campaigners in the Internet-Mana party that between Laila Harre, Pam Corkery, Sue Bradford, Hone Harawira, etc, etc... they must have known Dotcom's personal grievance would be a major distraction. You'd think SURELY they would have tried to talk him out pushing that particular barrow at that particular time.

But I guess if Dotcom is financing the whole deal, he's probably quite hard to say no to.

 

As for the whole Speargun thing... I dunno. I'm a bit uneasy about the whole thing, but I haven't looked into it enough to have any more of an opinion than that.