frustrated !!!

[Daz69]

Just reading all this after a weekend away... and I'm so confused!

Who's got their knickers in a twist, and who twisted them? Did they really twist them, or is everyone just pretending? Do I need to wade in here, or are you kids having fun?

Nah... Just some Police hating hair dresser back touting for business..

[al-ex]

Azide - very creative, your mind is!

Pseudonym - you had the right idea and probably had more fun at 40 ms.

Daz - whatever, i can't even be bothered to respond to the drivel.

[Riccardo]

Haha not quite med school Daz, far from it actually. Although I'd argue that, given my expertise, I would be more than qualified to comment on the matter. I have heaps of mates that are physicians and work with them all the time. Your average Dr knows absolutely nothing about HRT/TRT. I'm a physiology/pharmacology major with a post grad specialisation in growth and metabolism.

As for cutting and pasting, the stuff I post on here isn't that. Oh and nothing beats first hand experience? LOL ok. How about controlled primary research over PURE ANECDOTE. If you bother to read the thread it is a critical analysis of actual research not a case study from a physician (as is the one you posted) I won't bother going in to the lack of merit in case studies because for the most part, the link you posted actually supports everything I've said. 

Firstly it was a fertility case, precisely the situation you would use clomiphene or hcg as Daz and I posted earlier. Secondly he alludes to the fact that testosterone replacement is the otherwise prefered treatment. Thirdly he describes the following:

"However, this improvement was short lived and lasted only one week, after which he reported a recurrence of more severe low testosterone symptoms, worse than before."

he doesn't actually address this issue, Leydig cell desensitization anyone?

And Vitamin E for receptor mediated desensitization? The jury is out regarding its actual effectiveness as it is and you're suggesting to use it as a means to ameliorate non-oxidative desensitization? SMH, That's the exact mentality that is the problem, oh just take this to combat that side and then take this to combat this side etc etc, its called polypharmacy and causes more problems than it solves.

[Realtalk]

Haha not quite med school Daz, far from it actually. Although I'd argue that, given my expertise, I would be more than qualified to comment on the matter. I have heaps of mates that are physicians and work with them all the time. Your average Dr knows absolutely nothing about HRT/TRT. I'm a physiology/pharmacology major with a post grad specialisation in growth and metabolism.

As for cutting and pasting, the stuff I post on here isn't that. Oh and nothing beats first hand experience? LOL ok. How about controlled primary research over PURE ANECDOTE. If you bother to read the thread it is a critical analysis of actual research not a case study from a physician (as is the one you posted) I won't bother going in to the lack of merit in case studies because for the most part, the link you posted actually supports everything I've said. 

Firstly it was a fertility case, precisely the situation you would use clomiphene or hcg as Daz and I posted earlier. Secondly he alludes to the fact that testosterone replacement is the otherwise prefered treatment. Thirdly he describes the following:

"However, this improvement was short lived and lasted only one week, after which he reported a recurrence of more severe low testosterone symptoms, worse than before."

he doesn't actually address this issue, Leydig cell desensitization anyone?

And Vitamin E for receptor mediated desensitization? The jury is out regarding its actual effectiveness as it is and you're suggesting to use it as a means to ameliorate non-oxidative desensitization? SMH, That's the exact mentality that is the problem, oh just take this to combat that side and then take this to combat this side etc etc, its called polypharmacy and causes more problems than it solves.

Too many big words, did not read.

[AZIDE]

Haha not quite med school Daz, far from it actually. Although I'd argue that, given my expertise, I would be more than qualified to comment on the matter. I have heaps of mates that are physicians and work with them all the time. Your average Dr knows absolutely nothing about HRT/TRT. I'm a physiology/pharmacology major with a post grad specialisation in growth and metabolism.

As for cutting and pasting, the stuff I post on here isn't that. Oh and nothing beats first hand experience? LOL ok. How about controlled primary research over PURE ANECDOTE. If you bother to read the thread it is a critical analysis of actual research not a case study from a physician (as is the one you posted) I won't bother going in to the lack of merit in case studies because for the most part, the link you posted actually supports everything I've said. 

Firstly it was a fertility case, precisely the situation you would use clomiphene or hcg as Daz and I posted earlier. Secondly he alludes to the fact that testosterone replacement is the otherwise prefered treatment. Thirdly he describes the following:

"However, this improvement was short lived and lasted only one week, after which he reported a recurrence of more severe low testosterone symptoms, worse than before."

he doesn't actually address this issue, Leydig cell desensitization anyone?

And Vitamin E for receptor mediated desensitization? The jury is out regarding its actual effectiveness as it is and you're suggesting to use it as a means to ameliorate non-oxidative desensitization? SMH, That's the exact mentality that is the problem, oh just take this to combat that side and then take this to combat this side etc etc, its called polypharmacy and causes more problems than it solves.

Too many big words, did not read.

i read it but did not understand it. pretty sure the gist of it is that riccardo was dux of his school and to up your doses and that both daz and alex were wrong

[Realtalk]

Dux of Kings college you say young chap!? How wonderful! Anyone fancy a knotting??

[Riccardo]

Cliffs:

-Alex pls go phgt huhuhu.

-increase doses

-was not dux 

 

haha and wtf is a knotting? Sounds like tying penises together?

[Realtalk]

A knotting yes, when two dogs f*ck and get knotted the breeder has to pull them apart.

nomsayn? (No homo)

[chook73]

Hey guys n girls, well its almost a year and I thought I better check in.

I ended up going private as I was just getting nowhere with the GP - he was trying but as @nate225 said they dont know squat. Wasted 3 months trying patches and gels to which the endo said was pointless due to where my test was at.

So I started on 1ml Sust every 3 weeks - no change, went to 2ml/3wks - felt better but still under normal range by quite a bit so we changed to Reandron @ 4ml/10wks and its working good. Best thing is I'm way more positive, happy and the missus doesn't mind the extra attention either :yes: :yes: .

Oh and gym wise, things are looking good - leg press up from 350 to 500, bench to 105 and deads to 170.

 

So if there's anyone else out there thinking about doing TRT  I say DO IT, get your bloods done, then demand a referral to an endo - dont piss around like I did and let the GP experiment!! Better still if you can afford it just go private.

 

Cheers Chook

[jimmybro1]

Hey guys n girls, well its almost a year and I thought I better check in.

I ended up going private as I was just getting nowhere with the GP - he was trying but as @nate225 said they dont know squat. Wasted 3 months trying patches and gels to which the endo said was pointless due to where my test was at.

So I started on 1ml Sust every 3 weeks - no change, went to 2ml/3wks - felt better but still under normal range by quite a bit so we changed to Reandron @ 4ml/10wks and its working good. Best thing is I'm way more positive, happy and the missus doesn't mind the extra attention either :yes: :yes: .

Oh and gym wise, things are looking good - leg press up from 350 to 500, bench to 105 and deads to 170.

 

So if there's anyone else out there thinking about doing TRT  I say DO IT, get your bloods done, then demand a referral to an endo - dont piss around like I did and let the GP experiment!! Better still if you can afford it just go private.

 

Cheers Chook

What are you test levels now? 

 

Are they regularly checked ? 

 

Mine were measured at 10 nmol and have no issue at all with sex drive etc. Maybe its more of an individual sensitivity thing?  

[chook73]

Hey jim, yep tested regulary - for me it was every 6weeks on Sust and am about 3weeks away from first bloods since starting Reandron - been on for just over 4months.

My levels were stupidly low @ 3.4 and that was after being on Sust for 6months so I guess that explains the low sex drive.

Cant wait to get bloods, really keen to see how they compare now.

[jimmybro1]

Hey jim, yep tested regulary - for me it was every 6weeks on Sust and am about 3weeks away from first bloods since starting Reandron - been on for just over 4months.

My levels were stupidly low @ 3.4 and that was after being on Sust for 6months so I guess that explains the low sex drive.

Cant wait to get bloods, really keen to see how they compare now.

Thats good news mate!

 

Are they monitoring other health markers like cholesterol, blood pressure etc?  

[mrgeeky]

Go to a mens clinic. Most doctors have a very limited scope of practice when it comes to TRT and similar issues. If you want to finely tune your supercharged 454 you dont take it to the guy doing wofs on jap imports all day do ya? Capeech?!

Mens clinic told me today they will only see people with erectile dysfunction.. I had a bit of an argument with the lady.. I said I thought you guys were the experts in TRT..

She reiterated, they were only there for erectile dysfunction..   Had me scratching my head.

[mrgeeky]

Hey guys n girls, well its almost a year and I thought I better check in.

I ended up going private as I was just getting nowhere with the GP - he was trying but as @nate225 said they dont know squat. Wasted 3 months trying patches and gels to which the endo said was pointless due to where my test was at.

So I started on 1ml Sust every 3 weeks - no change, went to 2ml/3wks - felt better but still under normal range by quite a bit so we changed to Reandron @ 4ml/10wks and its working good. Best thing is I'm way more positive, happy and the missus doesn't mind the extra attention either :yes: :yes: .

Oh and gym wise, things are looking good - leg press up from 350 to 500, bench to 105 and deads to 170.

 

So if there's anyone else out there thinking about doing TRT  I say DO IT, get your bloods done, then demand a referral to an endo - dont piss around like I did and let the GP experiment!! Better still if you can afford it just go private.

 

Cheers Chook

Went private? just making sure.. You're not paying for the reandron are you?  It's funded that's all.. When the mens clinic were doing TRT stuff they used to charge for their vials of test, when infact its gov funded.. Free..

[chook73]

Yep went private but now in public system - took over a year to get in to see public endo.

Only cost is for the script/blood test - bout $20 every 10 weeks.

[chook73]

Thats good news mate!

 

Are they monitoring other health markers like cholesterol, blood pressure etc?  

Yeh mate do full bloods before every jab - apparently its not just the test levels that need to be focused on.

Endo reckons  Red blood count is one of the more important because it can indicate if you are possibly heading towards a steroid induced stroke/heart attack.

[Clueless]

Holy hell a follow up post.

 

Thanks for posting info

[_jco]

Hey guys n girls, well its almost a year and I thought I better check in.

I ended up going private as I was just getting nowhere with the GP - he was trying but as @nate225 said they dont know squat. Wasted 3 months trying patches and gels to which the endo said was pointless due to where my test was at.

So I started on 1ml Sust every 3 weeks - no change, went to 2ml/3wks - felt better but still under normal range by quite a bit so we changed to Reandron @ 4ml/10wks and its working good. Best thing is I'm way more positive, happy and the missus doesn't mind the extra attention either :yes: :yes: .

Oh and gym wise, things are looking good - leg press up from 350 to 500, bench to 105 and deads to 170.

 

So if there's anyone else out there thinking about doing TRT  I say DO IT, get your bloods done, then demand a referral to an endo - dont piss around like I did and let the GP experiment!! Better still if you can afford it just go private.

 

Cheers Chook

 

 

Where did you get it? I think I have low test...

[Boosting]

Why do you think that?

[jimmybro1]

Why do you think that?

Cause not 250lb bodybuilder after two years training 

 

In all seriousness I doubt you do, you are able to build muscle I assume your sleeping well (haven't mentioned elsewhere in forum) or do you have ED or something? 

 

You look asian so probably don't grow much body hair genetically so what are you basing it on

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

Cause not 250lb bodybuilder after two years training 

 

In all seriousness I doubt you do, you are able to build muscle I assume your sleeping well (haven't mentioned elsewhere in forum) or do you have ED or something? 

 

You look asian so probably don't grow much body hair genetically so what are you basing it on

99.99% sure it was a tongue in cheek type comment, he was looking for a 'source' even though it's a reference to a legal place lol

[_jco]

Lol well I loose heaps of muscle when I cut and I have mood problems. Also I dont have umm...big explosions in the you know what department. I did the form in the Men's Clinic site and I scored very high.

[Pseudonym]

Every bodybuilder thinks they have low test. Funnily enough, I don't know of anyone who thinks they have too much...

 

Seriously though, losing muscle and mood problems is part and parcel of competition dieting. It's very, very normal - but that's where getting an expert to look at your diet and training can help. If they are good enough, they can minimise it.

 

The Men's Clinic... well, you can be sure their form will be designed to encourage as many new customers as possible.

 

Are you taking any zinc/magnesium supplements? It's an important ingredient in testosterone production, and if you're under stress (eg, a competition or training hard) you could well be deficient. That would be my first thought before you start down the HRT track.

 

Unless you just want to start juicing, in which case your natty test levels are irrelevant!

[maccaz]

Get bloods dont assume anything as low test has symptoms that heaps of other things have both mental and physical

[jimmybro1]

Lol well I loose heaps of muscle when I cut and I have mood problems. Also I dont have umm...big explosions in the you know what department. I did the form in the Men's Clinic site and I scored very high.

Get bloods done. Not everyone is blessed with massive loads. Peter North use to take hCG and clomid for his award winning money shots I think I heard or read somewhere. They won't give test that will reduce sperm count....